More bad news for Trans States Pilots
11-06-2008, 07:48 PM
#102
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Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB
Holy crap guys. What a nightmare! ALPA had better get their ducks in a row on this one (if proved to be true, of course). That's beyond wrong 
Beyond wrong true. But if there anything in TSA's scope to prevent it? What recourse will TSA ALPA have?
11-06-2008, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB
Holy crap guys. What a nightmare! ALPA had better get their ducks in a row on this one (if proved to be true, of course). That's beyond wrong
11-06-2008, 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18
Beyond wrong true. But if there anything in TSA's scope to prevent it? What recourse will TSA ALPA have?
11-06-2008, 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18
Beyond wrong true. But if there anything in TSA's scope to prevent it? What recourse will TSA ALPA have?
Here's our scope, you can interpret it for yourself:
"Section 1.B. Scope
1. All flying in and for the scheduled revenue passenger service of the Company and any wet lease or charter flying presently performed or to be performed in the future by the Company, shall be performed by active Pilots on the Trans States Airlines Pilots' Seniority List and shall be flown in accordance with all of the provisions of the Employment agreement and applicable amendments thereto between the Company and the Pilots as represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, International (AFL-CIO).
2.Notwithstanding paragraph B.1. above, the Company may assign or contract out flying for periods not in excess of ninety (90) days if such conduct is necessary to accomplish the needs of the service of the Company, and the Company does not have sufficient aircraft or pilots available to perform the flying assigned or contracted out and no company pilot is furloughed as a result of such contracting out of such flying."
Last edited by CaptainCarl; 11-06-2008 at 08:17 PM.
11-06-2008, 08:15 PM
#106
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Originally Posted by TrevorW
There aren't seperate mechanics for the two different airframes Mr. Oblivious. Seriously, I doubt this would happen. GoJet's 50 seat rate pays better than TSA's, why would that be in HK's interest?
CRJ's in the desert are a dime a dozen. ERJ lease rates were set years ago. Even if the Blow Jet guys make more per hour, the lease rates on the used CRJ's would more than make up the difference
We can only hope this is a very bad rumor, but I wouldn't put it past HK and his band of thieves
11-06-2008, 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptainCarl
I just read and re-read our scope clause and here's what my interpretation of it is: Because GoJet exists already, we are screwed. It would appear that they can give GoJet whatever they want and not have to give a dang about us at Trans States.
Here's our scope, you can interpret it for yourself:
"Section 1.B. Scope
1. All flying in and for the scheduled revenue passenger service of the Company and any wet lease or charter flying presently performed or to be performed in the future by the Company, shall be performed by active Pilots on the Trans States Airlines Pilots' Seniority List and shall be flown in accordance with all of the provisions of the Employment agreement and applicable amendments thereto between the Company and the Pilots as represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, International (AFL-CIO).
2.Notwithstanding paragraph B.1. above, the Company may assign or contract out flying for periods not in excess of ninety (90) days if such conduct is necessary to accomplish the needs of the service of the Company, and the Company does not have sufficient aircraft or pilots available to perform the flying assigned or contracted out and no company pilot is furloughed as a result of such contracting out of such flying."
Here's our scope, you can interpret it for yourself:
"Section 1.B. Scope
1. All flying in and for the scheduled revenue passenger service of the Company and any wet lease or charter flying presently performed or to be performed in the future by the Company, shall be performed by active Pilots on the Trans States Airlines Pilots' Seniority List and shall be flown in accordance with all of the provisions of the Employment agreement and applicable amendments thereto between the Company and the Pilots as represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, International (AFL-CIO).
2.Notwithstanding paragraph B.1. above, the Company may assign or contract out flying for periods not in excess of ninety (90) days if such conduct is necessary to accomplish the needs of the service of the Company, and the Company does not have sufficient aircraft or pilots available to perform the flying assigned or contracted out and no company pilot is furloughed as a result of such contracting out of such flying."
11-06-2008, 08:17 PM
#108
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Originally Posted by CaptainCarl
I just read and re-read our scope clause and here's what my interpretation of it is: Because GoJet exists already, we are screwed. It would appear that they can give GoJet whatever they want and not have to give a dang about us at Trans States.
Here's our scope, you can interpret it for yourself:
"Section 1.B. Scope
1. All flying in and for the scheduled revenue passenger service of the Company and any wet lease or charter flying presently performed or to be performed in the future by the Company, shall be performed by active Pilots on the Trans States Airlines Pilots' Seniority List and shall be flown in accordance with all of the provisions of the Employment agreement and applicable amendments thereto between the Company and the Pilots as represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, International (AFL-CIO).
2.Notwithstanding paragraph B.1. above, the Company may assign or contract out flying for periods not in excess of ninety (90) days if such conduct is necessary to accomplish the needs of the service of the Company, and the Company does not have sufficient aircraft or pilots available to perform the flying assigned or contracted out and no company pilot is furloughed as a result of such contracting out of such flying."
Here's our scope, you can interpret it for yourself:
"Section 1.B. Scope
1. All flying in and for the scheduled revenue passenger service of the Company and any wet lease or charter flying presently performed or to be performed in the future by the Company, shall be performed by active Pilots on the Trans States Airlines Pilots' Seniority List and shall be flown in accordance with all of the provisions of the Employment agreement and applicable amendments thereto between the Company and the Pilots as represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, International (AFL-CIO).
2.Notwithstanding paragraph B.1. above, the Company may assign or contract out flying for periods not in excess of ninety (90) days if such conduct is necessary to accomplish the needs of the service of the Company, and the Company does not have sufficient aircraft or pilots available to perform the flying assigned or contracted out and no company pilot is furloughed as a result of such contracting out of such flying."
11-06-2008, 08:23 PM
#109
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Originally Posted by elcid79
Yeah, our scope doesnt even adress this scenario. It was obvious that this was comming once GJ got a 50 seater scale.. No wonder the company has been dragging there tails soo much on our contract.
Look ou' me heartys, th' ship be sinkin' an' th' rats be fleein'!
Last edited by CaptainCarl; 11-06-2008 at 08:33 PM.
11-06-2008, 08:32 PM
#110
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Originally Posted by TrevorW
There aren't seperate mechanics for the two different airframes Mr. Oblivious. Seriously, I doubt this would happen. GoJet's 50 seat rate pays better than TSA's, why would that be in HK's interest?
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