rickair7777

Skywest is the only significant non-union airline. At the regional level compensation is determined by market forces, not any particular union actions. Regional unions provide some services for a cost, but it's not really significant either way. Whether you should participate for the general enhancement of the profession is up to you.

Other than regionals, you're better off with a union shop as a pilot... the job does not lend itself well to office politics... if that's your style, there are plenty of bottom tier 121, 135, 91k, 91, etc operations where you can get ahead by shmoozing. But the best you'll ever do, unless you're exceptionally lucky, will be less pay for more work than the union major pilots.

kevbo

WalMart has a truckers union. They were making $65K 25 years ago.

B727DRVR

In Part 121? Pretty much just the crappy ones on MIA’s 36th Street, AKA, “Corrosion Corner”.

There, you can experience Pay, QOL, safety, and work rules like its 1993. Kind of a time machine into a sad past in aviation.

galaxy flyer

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1993? How about 1953. ‘93 wasn’t much different than today.

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Excargodog

Big Blue is hiring. Criteria is a little rigorous maybe, and the payback on the training commitment can be a real *****, but they ARE non-union.


https://www.thebalancecareers.com/ho...-pilot-3344536

B727DRVR

Don't remember the dark days of the 1990's? OK, history lesson:

1991- The Gulf War ends and military does drawdowns and floods the market with thousands of pilots.

1991- Eastern Airlines goes out of business and floods the market with thousands of pilots.

1991- Pan Am goes out of business and floods the market with thousands of pilots.

1992-1994- Nearly every other Major, National, and Regional airline furloughs pilots and they flood the market with thousands more pilots, too.

1994- Regional Airlines, a.k.a "the commuters", that used to hire pilots at 1000 hours TT/100 ME, requirements went up to 1500/500, then 2500/500, 4000/1000, then with the pilot glut required pilots to pay $19,000 for their own training and hotels during training, all for a $16000/yr. job.

It was during this time that pilots were often called "a dime a dozen", and in the lower levels of aviation.."do it or you're fired". The very bad joke at the time is when one saw a person begging, they would ask "I wonder whose seniority list they are on"... It was during these times that airlines took advantage of pilots and other aviation workers addicted to the aviation "dream", and today in 2019, one of the last bastions of this poor pay, treatment, and QOL in these otherwise bright, happy, and hopeful days in aviation is on NW 36th street at KMIA.

Thus, my quote from my previous post.. "There, you can experience Pay, QOL, safety, and work rules like its 1993. Kind of a time machine into a sad past in aviation."

Remember now?

CALPilotToo

And are recently responsible for tearing at the very fabric of FAR 121.547 and using the JS as a tool for both politics and their non union beliefs.

Skywest crews benefit daily from initiatives paid for and advanced by the major pilot unions like ALPA, SWAPA, and IPA yet contributed ZERO dollars to the development of CASS or KCM yet their crews use it everyday. Freakin hypocrites!

After this most recent debacle with this ill advised and stupid JS war Skywest is simply right above the lowest in this industry which are the scabs and deserve to be treated as such and just barely above a scab.

Hopefully, United never hires another one. But unfortunately, that probably won't be the case. But I'm sure their numbers will go way down after these last few weeks and lets hope so.

wrxpilot

Here is a prime example of why HR has taken over the hiring at UAL from line pilots.

Blackhawk

Every person involved in my interview, except those who reviewed my paperwork and took care of other admin stuff, was a pilot.

wrxpilot

Same here. But HR was completely in charge of the selection of pilot candidates. It was also very obvious that the interviewers were professional and unbiased.