What airlines are non union?
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Yet neither you nor I have any idea how an individual would react during an interview to the situation mentioned.
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You keep thinking that all you want. If you think for one minute this whole debacle will disappear like a fart in the wind you are seriously a great candidate to be a scab one day or would be one of the moronic Captains who would participate in a jumpseat war after so many for decades have fought for 121.547 and to not EVER use it asa tool or for political purposes. If you are a Skywest pilot or just a pilot who does not see the damage this either did or could have done you are truly not a guy I'd ever like to walk a picket line with or expect you to ever have my back in this profession.
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If it makes you feel better, everyone that I have talked to at SkyWest was upset about the UA jumpseat action, and none of the ones that I talked to were going to deny a jumpseat. They also would like to see SAPA replaced with ALPA, especially after the JS debacle, and some have decided to start pushing for ALPA on property and would like to see the current jumpseat chair replaced.
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You keep thinking that all you want. If you think for one minute this whole debacle will disappear like a fart in the wind you are seriously a great candidate to be a scab one day or would be one of the moronic Captains who would participate in a jumpseat war after so many for decades have fought for 121.547 and to not EVER use it asa tool or for political purposes. If you are a Skywest pilot or just a pilot who does not see the damage this either did or could have done you are truly not a guy I'd ever like to walk a picket line with or expect you to ever have my back in this profession.
I strongly disagree with what SAPA did, I think it was foolish and naive. However, I don’t blame all SkyWest pilots, and the ones I have spoken with are very upset by the actions of SAPA. To now threaten an entire pilot group is really naive and juvenile.
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You keep thinking that all you want. If you think for one minute this whole debacle will disappear like a fart in the wind you are seriously a great candidate to be a scab one day or would be one of the moronic Captains who would participate in a jumpseat war after so many for decades have fought for 121.547 and to not EVER use it asa tool or for political purposes. If you are a Skywest pilot or just a pilot who does not see the damage this either did or could have done you are truly not a guy I'd ever like to walk a picket line with or expect you to ever have my back in this profession.
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Don't remember the dark days of the 1990's? OK, history lesson:
1991- The Gulf War ends and military does drawdowns and floods the market with thousands of pilots.
1991- Eastern Airlines goes out of business and floods the market with thousands of pilots.
1991- Pan Am goes out of business and floods the market with thousands of pilots.
1992-1994- Nearly every other Major, National, and Regional airline furloughs pilots and they flood the market with thousands more pilots, too.
1994- Regional Airlines, a.k.a "the commuters", that used to hire pilots at 1000 hours TT/100 ME, requirements went up to 1500/500, then 2500/500, 4000/1000, then with the pilot glut required pilots to pay $19,000 for their own training and hotels during training, all for a $16000/yr. job.
It was during this time that pilots were often called "a dime a dozen", and in the lower levels of aviation.."do it or you're fired". The very bad joke at the time is when one saw a person begging, they would ask "I wonder whose seniority list they are on"... It was during these times that airlines took advantage of pilots and other aviation workers addicted to the aviation "dream", and today in 2019, one of the last bastions of this poor pay, treatment, and QOL in these otherwise bright, happy, and hopeful days in aviation is on NW 36th street at KMIA.
Thus, my quote from my previous post.. "There, you can experience Pay, QOL, safety, and work rules like its 1993. Kind of a time machine into a sad past in aviation."
Remember now?
1991- The Gulf War ends and military does drawdowns and floods the market with thousands of pilots.
1991- Eastern Airlines goes out of business and floods the market with thousands of pilots.
1991- Pan Am goes out of business and floods the market with thousands of pilots.
1992-1994- Nearly every other Major, National, and Regional airline furloughs pilots and they flood the market with thousands more pilots, too.
1994- Regional Airlines, a.k.a "the commuters", that used to hire pilots at 1000 hours TT/100 ME, requirements went up to 1500/500, then 2500/500, 4000/1000, then with the pilot glut required pilots to pay $19,000 for their own training and hotels during training, all for a $16000/yr. job.
It was during this time that pilots were often called "a dime a dozen", and in the lower levels of aviation.."do it or you're fired". The very bad joke at the time is when one saw a person begging, they would ask "I wonder whose seniority list they are on"... It was during these times that airlines took advantage of pilots and other aviation workers addicted to the aviation "dream", and today in 2019, one of the last bastions of this poor pay, treatment, and QOL in these otherwise bright, happy, and hopeful days in aviation is on NW 36th street at KMIA.
Thus, my quote from my previous post.. "There, you can experience Pay, QOL, safety, and work rules like its 1993. Kind of a time machine into a sad past in aviation."
Remember now?
3 majors out of business within 5 weeks of eachother.
The 70's and early 80's were even worse. Thousands of qualified Vietnam era pilots and most airlines with pilots on furlough.
The general economy was stronger then, and there were many, many more general aviation jobs than currently exist.
#27
Don't forget Midway shutting down Nov. of 1991.
3 majors out of business within 5 weeks of eachother.
The 70's and early 80's were even worse. Thousands of qualified Vietnam era pilots and most airlines with pilots on furlough.
The general economy was stronger then, and there were many, many more general aviation jobs than currently exist.
3 majors out of business within 5 weeks of eachother.
The 70's and early 80's were even worse. Thousands of qualified Vietnam era pilots and most airlines with pilots on furlough.
The general economy was stronger then, and there were many, many more general aviation jobs than currently exist.
#28
Good Thread
Good thread Jenny ... It's good to have a list of airlines/operators to avoid.
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