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Old 10-22-2019, 05:00 PM
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Same here. But HR was completely in charge of the selection of pilot candidates. It was also very obvious that the interviewers were professional and unbiased.
Yet neither you nor I have any idea how an individual would react during an interview to the situation mentioned.
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Old 10-22-2019, 05:10 PM
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Here is a prime example of why HR has taken over the hiring at UAL from line pilots.
You keep thinking that all you want. If you think for one minute this whole debacle will disappear like a fart in the wind you are seriously a great candidate to be a scab one day or would be one of the moronic Captains who would participate in a jumpseat war after so many for decades have fought for 121.547 and to not EVER use it asa tool or for political purposes. If you are a Skywest pilot or just a pilot who does not see the damage this either did or could have done you are truly not a guy I'd ever like to walk a picket line with or expect you to ever have my back in this profession.
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Old 10-22-2019, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by CALPilotToo View Post
Skywest crews benefit daily from initiatives paid for and advanced by the major pilot unions like ALPA, SWAPA, and IPA yet contributed ZERO dollars to the development of CASS or KCM yet their crews use it everyday. Freakin hypocrites!
Don’t forget about all the 135 and 91k non union pilots that also use KCM.

If it makes you feel better, everyone that I have talked to at SkyWest was upset about the UA jumpseat action, and none of the ones that I talked to were going to deny a jumpseat. They also would like to see SAPA replaced with ALPA, especially after the JS debacle, and some have decided to start pushing for ALPA on property and would like to see the current jumpseat chair replaced.
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Old 10-22-2019, 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by CALPilotToo View Post
You keep thinking that all you want. If you think for one minute this whole debacle will disappear like a fart in the wind you are seriously a great candidate to be a scab one day or would be one of the moronic Captains who would participate in a jumpseat war after so many for decades have fought for 121.547 and to not EVER use it asa tool or for political purposes. If you are a Skywest pilot or just a pilot who does not see the damage this either did or could have done you are truly not a guy I'd ever like to walk a picket line with or expect you to ever have my back in this profession.
I’m not a SkyWest pilot. I was hired at United last year, but went to another carrier that was a better fit. I think United is a fine company, although as with anywhere else it has a few blowhards.

I strongly disagree with what SAPA did, I think it was foolish and naive. However, I don’t blame all SkyWest pilots, and the ones I have spoken with are very upset by the actions of SAPA. To now threaten an entire pilot group is really naive and juvenile.
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Old 10-23-2019, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by CALPilotToo View Post
You keep thinking that all you want. If you think for one minute this whole debacle will disappear like a fart in the wind you are seriously a great candidate to be a scab one day or would be one of the moronic Captains who would participate in a jumpseat war after so many for decades have fought for 121.547 and to not EVER use it asa tool or for political purposes. If you are a Skywest pilot or just a pilot who does not see the damage this either did or could have done you are truly not a guy I'd ever like to walk a picket line with or expect you to ever have my back in this profession.
I'm a simple FO and in the grand scheme of things, I don't agree with the way SAPA handled it either, I think i'm a nice person but I bet you're an absolute pleasure to fly with......


Future United hire * Please bid avoid*

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Old 02-18-2020, 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by B727DRVR View Post
Don't remember the dark days of the 1990's? OK, history lesson:

1991- The Gulf War ends and military does drawdowns and floods the market with thousands of pilots.

1991- Eastern Airlines goes out of business and floods the market with thousands of pilots.

1991- Pan Am goes out of business and floods the market with thousands of pilots.

1992-1994- Nearly every other Major, National, and Regional airline furloughs pilots and they flood the market with thousands more pilots, too.

1994- Regional Airlines, a.k.a "the commuters", that used to hire pilots at 1000 hours TT/100 ME, requirements went up to 1500/500, then 2500/500, 4000/1000, then with the pilot glut required pilots to pay $19,000 for their own training and hotels during training, all for a $16000/yr. job.

It was during this time that pilots were often called "a dime a dozen", and in the lower levels of aviation.."do it or you're fired". The very bad joke at the time is when one saw a person begging, they would ask "I wonder whose seniority list they are on"... It was during these times that airlines took advantage of pilots and other aviation workers addicted to the aviation "dream", and today in 2019, one of the last bastions of this poor pay, treatment, and QOL in these otherwise bright, happy, and hopeful days in aviation is on NW 36th street at KMIA.

Thus, my quote from my previous post.. "There, you can experience Pay, QOL, safety, and work rules like its 1993. Kind of a time machine into a sad past in aviation."

Remember now?
Don't forget Midway shutting down Nov. of 1991.
3 majors out of business within 5 weeks of eachother.
The 70's and early 80's were even worse. Thousands of qualified Vietnam era pilots and most airlines with pilots on furlough.
The general economy was stronger then, and there were many, many more general aviation jobs than currently exist.
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Old 02-21-2020, 03:29 PM
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Don't forget Midway shutting down Nov. of 1991.
3 majors out of business within 5 weeks of eachother.
The 70's and early 80's were even worse. Thousands of qualified Vietnam era pilots and most airlines with pilots on furlough.
The general economy was stronger then, and there were many, many more general aviation jobs than currently exist.
One thing the “general economy “ wasn’t in the 70’s and early 80’s was stronger than now. Two gas crunches, malaise and several horrible recessions.
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Originally Posted by JennyS View Post
Hello all! I'm planning to enter this industry in a couple years. I'm wondering what specific companies are not union airlines. I know FlexJet is one, but there must be others. Thanks for your help!
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Good thread Jenny ... It's good to have a list of airlines/operators to avoid.

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