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Old 08-18-2016, 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by MartinBishop View Post
If you understood history then you would know why the commerce clause is incorrectly applied.
And another thing. I didn't get elected to the US Supreme Court. So, I don't have a vote on the matter.

If you feel it's incorrectly applied, then you can write your congressman and ask him to draft some legislation that "reinterprets" it.
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Old 08-18-2016, 10:55 AM
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I've got it down pretty good. Masters in History.
You should probably get your money back.
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And another thing. I didn't get elected to the US Supreme Court. So, I don't have a vote on the matter.

If you feel it's incorrectly applied, then you can write your congressman and ask him to draft some legislation that "reinterprets" it.
State government do get a say in the matter though.
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Old 08-18-2016, 02:18 PM
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Martin, you truly are APC's own Donald Trump:

Claims expertise on every subject without any experience, insults those who disagree, thin-skinned when perceived slighted, lacking even a trace of humility, greatly exaggerated sense of self-importance and insight.

And yes, that is an ad hominem attack.
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Old 08-18-2016, 06:32 PM
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Martin, you truly are APC's own Donald Trump:

Claims expertise on every subject without any experience, insults those who disagree, thin-skinned when perceived slighted, lacking even a trace of humility, greatly exaggerated sense of self-importance and insight.

And yes, that is an ad hominem attack.
Ironic coming from a guy who has a username and avatar of an imperialist.
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Old 08-18-2016, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by MartinBishop View Post
You should probably get your money back.

State government do get a say in the matter though.

1. I have lived commercial aviation history for the last 30 years. I have the book learning to back it up and the experience to temper by feelings towards uninformed and pathetic individuals like yourself. What you have is pie in the sky ideas fostered through your ivy league tingley-goose-pimples, viewed through your rose colored glasses. When you learn how to wipe your butt and your nose at the same time please let me know.

2. State governments have very little to say. I've been based in New York, New jersey, California, Texas, Louisiana, Florida, and Ohio.

Which states in the list above have more to say on the matter than say...the Federal government? Each state may have differing right to work laws, taxes, workers compensation, and on the job injury, but that's about it. Even in states that have right to work, if your airline has a union, the pilot domiciles in those states will be represented by the union. Care to guess why? Because it's in the collective bargaining agreement, which was signed off on by the company, and the union, and in most cases mediated, or arbitrated by the US government.

If you ever get your law degree or clerk for a federal court let me know. You should discuss the matter over a scotch with your judge. If you don't go that far, then by all means talk it over with some of your professors, or better yet, just call the DoL and speak to an ombudsman, mediator, or arbitrator who has worked in the industry for any length of time.
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Originally Posted by MartinBishop View Post
Ironic coming from a guy who has a username and avatar of an imperialist.
That's just dumb.

Winston Churchill had to clean up the mess left behind by the great woosie and pacifist Neville Chamberlin.
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Old 08-19-2016, 09:49 AM
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Martin,

1) The NLRA and RLA are established law with long standing precedence.

2) Anyone who submits a résumé/application to work at a closed union shop is doing so (assumedly) under their own free will and with the intention to obtain gainful employment. By doing so, you're agreeing that your employment will be governed by a Collective Bargaining Agreement between the Employees (which you want to be a part of) and Management.

The bottom line here is, IF you don't agree with the idea of unions then don't apply to a union property. There are plenty of non-union properties out there. Knock yourself out.

If you're already employed by a union property, see point two.
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Old 08-20-2016, 07:50 AM
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1) The NLRA and RLA are established law with long standing precedence.
So was slavery and a whole host of other bad things. Doesn't mean it is Constitutional or moral.

Precedence is no standard to judge a law's Constitutionality or morality.
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Old 08-20-2016, 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by baseball View Post
1. I have lived commercial aviation history for the last 30 years. I have the book learning to back it up and the experience to temper by feelings towards uninformed and pathetic individuals like yourself. What you have is pie in the sky ideas fostered through your ivy league tingley-goose-pimples, viewed through your rose colored glasses. When you learn how to wipe your butt and your nose at the same time please let me know.
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2. State governments have very little to say. I've been based in New York, New jersey, California, Texas, Louisiana, Florida, and Ohio.

Which states in the list above have more to say on the matter than say...the Federal government? Each state may have differing right to work laws, taxes, workers compensation, and on the job injury, but that's about it. Even in states that have right to work, if your airline has a union, the pilot domiciles in those states will be represented by the union. Care to guess why? Because it's in the collective bargaining agreement, which was signed off on by the company, and the union, and in most cases mediated, or arbitrated by the US government.
You must have never heard of nullification?
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Old 08-20-2016, 09:06 AM
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Martin, as was pointed out above, there is a simple solution to your disdain for unionism: don't ever apply to or accept employment from a unionized air carrier.

Good luck with your career.
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