I'm not sure if this will remain open or closed. I have taken the time to post this list externally, where it will remain secure for now. I am hoping the moderators will create an exception for posting this external link, as it contains no malicious intent or advertising whatsoever. Hopefully this will give people what you have been looking for. If this posting is flooded with juvenile comments, I will remove it and will not take the time to individually mail it to people. The list is a tool and a reminder, not a joke. Thanks in advance for respecting that.

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One reason that these lists are often deleted is that the "Order and Award" of 10/85 clearly states that ALPA nor any of it's members will cause retribution on any employee that worked during the 1983 - 85 labor dispute at Continenatal Airlines. This agreement ended the "Labor dispute". So ALPA to keep from getting sued and or having the agreement rescinded will get the WEBsites deleted. In theory all those that went out are strike would be subject to termination for an illegal work action. Not fair, right or otherwise. The judge determined that the strike wasn't legal on two counts. First ALPA had never been certified by the NRLB. They were recognized voluntarily by CAL management and negotiated several contracts etc. ( I will never agree to his logic ) second the "illegal labor action" ( strike to most ) was called by ALPA National and was never voted on by the rank and file CAL ALPA members as called for in the by-laws. So Judge John Roberts ordered the action illegal and created the infamous " Order and Award "
So I guess the CAL scabs should at least get an * as in *Scab
So no strike equals no scabs ? Go figure
Also several CAL furloughed pilots 1978 hires ( 30 + ) that never worked during the strike ended up on your list because of their adjusted DOH

 

As far as I'm concerned, fly struck work and you're a scab regardless of technicalities. Not much more complicated than that...

I was never a big union guy before I got into the industry. However, considering how severely and unfairly handicapped we are by the RLA, anybody who intentionally undermines the efforts of pilots to improve their lives through appropriate labor action has no moral compass and should be labeled appropriately: a SCAB.

 

After God had finished the rattlesnake, the toad, and the vampire, he had some awful substance left with which he made a scab.

A scab is a two-legged animal with a corkscrew soul, a water brain, a combination backbone of jelly and glue.

Where others have hearts, he carries a tumor of rotten principles.

When a scab comes down the street, men turn their backs and angels weep in heaven, and the devil shuts the gates of hell to keep him out.

No man (or woman) has a right to scab so long as there is a pool of water to drown his carcass in, or a rope long enough to hang his body with.

Judas was a gentleman compared with a scab. For betraying his master, he had character enough to hang himself. A scab has not.

Esau sold his birthright for a mess of pottage.

Judas sold his Savior for thirty pieces of silver.

Benedict Arnold sold his country for a promise of a commission in the British army.

The scab sells his birthright, country, his wife, his children and his fellowmen for an unfulfilled promise from his employer.

Esau was a traitor to himself; Judas was a traitor to his God; Benedict Arnold was a traitor to his country.

A scab is a traitor to his God, his country, his family and his class.

Author --- Jack London (1876-1916)

 

It's been hard to discern who the scabs are since ALPA crossed PATCO's line in the 80's. Duffy and the boys have always tried to rationalize that but it was scabbing.

 

Are you on the list?

 

No, not scabbing. Use the word correctly or not at all. There is a legal difference between supporting another craft's strike, or not, and crossing a line your own craft.

Argue the morality all you please but don't dilute the s-word.

 

I sincerely beg to differ. In the words of one of the original members of ALPA, "We worked for years to get the wages and working conditions of US pilots above that of itinerant farm workers and then they failed the IQ test and started thinking they were republicans". As long as one company can use an economic advantage to eliminate another pilot groups company with no national seniority rights, you only have temporarily assimilated groups fighting over scraps.

 

PATCO strike was illegal...that is why the striking controllers got fired.

JTF

 

In addition, the PATCO strike was privately opposed by the AFL-CIO leadership, who foresaw (and warned Robert Poli), that it would fail and cause great harm to Organized Labor as a whole. When he went ahead anyway, they were furious at him but had to make a pro-forma denunciation of the firings as "overkill".