Local357 EXCO response to the RPC(FAPA!!)
 

I AM NOT ON THE EXCO, BUT HERE IT IS:
Fellow RAH Pilots,

I have been asked about my response to this RPC campaign. Many of you have seen our initial response, I figured I should break it down in an effort to have an informed discussion. I had the RPC pitch forwarded to me, I will break it down and respond below:
Does the RPC have bylaws? Is this in writing? How do we all know there will be equal representation? If the RPC is certified on June 27th, what happens on June 28th? Is there a President? Who is in charge of this thing? Who will put together the group? Clearly I have a lot of questions…
The “Native RAH Pilots” would be represented by one organization designated by the RPC? We are told the RPC will be equal representation and they will designate the organization? They do say the native RAH pilots can choose to keep Local 357. Unfortunately, under the law, if RPC were to be certified as the bargaining representative, the Teamsters would no longer have any say. I suppose we could adopt the name Local 357 as an independent union, but we would not remain a part of Teamsters. They do state the Frontier pilots would still be represented by FAPA. Funny how this coalition knows who will represent the Frontier pilots…who is driving this ship?
I’m unsure of how the RPC will negotiate implementation of the SLI. The fact is the SLI will be implemented 60 days after the representative body is certified by the NMB, per the Eischen award. How is it that FAPA will take the first step toward unity, but only if RPC is elected? Is FAPA saying they will not support unity if RPC is not elected?


This is not Republic Pilots represented by Republic Pilots, this is FAPA saying they hate IBT. The IBT has never backed the idea of forcing ourselves on them. We have actually offered them a structure that would keep their leadership involved, but they told us, “that won’t work for us.”

We offered them a Transitional Executive Council (TEC) who would administer their contract. We told them we have intentionally delayed our E-Board elections so they would be eligible to run. Regardless of what you may hear, they are eligible to run per our bylaws, there is a carve out for merging members; we made sure of it for this reason.
Local 357 has support of the pilot group and we look forward to bring both groups together as one. We don’t want to be separate, but equal; we want to be UNIFIED as one group.
So the RPC will have equal representation, initially? What happens after “initially?” Where is it in writing that we will have equal representation, other than a web board post? Dues will be separate, doesn’t sound like unification to me…
All efforts to?

Implement the Eischen Award – Binding arbitration says it will be implemented 60 days after the representative body is determined (approximately August 26). What does the RPC “making an effort” have to do with this?

Prevent litigation – So, a threat? If we don’t vote for RPC they will continue to litigate? Duty of Fair representation issues, not sure what that means.

Develop provisions to prevent whipsaw? That’s called one union, joint CBA. You can’t prevent a whipsaw with two bargaining agents. It’s called the fundamental theory of a union.

Common basis for scope and struck work? Simple…IBT 357 wants scope for everything, FAPA (RPC) wants to outsource below 120,000 lbs. IBT 357 wants to be the envy of the industry while FAPA (RPC) wants to follow in the footsteps and make the same mistakes as the legacy airlines. Struck work should not be a question; we should be one union, one list, one voice. Why do they care about struck work unless they are thinking about crossing a picket line?

Coordinate efforts of committees? This is something I have been accused of. I was told I was divisive by telling our committees they could work together. I have supported this idea from day one, we don’t need RPC to make this a reality, we just need cooperation.
The national organization has more airline experience than they know. They say we can be represented by the experience of FAPA. This is the organization currently negotiating concessions with RAH. They have given up the snapback and are working on reducing work rules. IBT 357 is pushing forward with mediation while FAPA is negotiating concessions. Seems like the RPC would not be much of a benefit to the native RAH group.
So FAPA is experienced with former Frontier management? They do have good work rules; I’ll give them that. I’m unsure how this would relate to the “joint council” They want separate bargaining agents, but claim they have experience. Which one is it, are we one, or separate? I think we are doing just fine with our negotiations. Pretty sure we don’t need FAPA help on our contract while they are busy negotiating concessions.
They are correct when they say if RPC is elected the IBT will no longer be recognized as the bargaining representative. This means the Teamsters will be gone, we will be on our own. They want to talk about money? They fail to mention the salaries the FAPA Board of Directors receives. Take a look at the LM2’s. They call Local 357 out for spending money, they fail to mention the $42,000 per year in salary givrn to the president of FAPA, on top of flight loss pay. They fail to mention the rest of the salaries paid to their Board of Directors, over $200,000 per year. Don’t forget, that’s on top of flight loss pay. The IBT pilots only get paid flight loss pay. It’s not about additional money to the IBT representatives, it’s about representing our group.
The difference is the mentioned alliances were agreed to by all parties and certified before they were voted on. Perhaps the RPC (FAPA) lawyers are telling a different story than our lawyers. I tend to believe ours, as they have been correct throughout this entire process; while the FAPA lawyers have been flailing. Filing lawsuits and running up the bill might feel good to their group, but it doesn’t mean they are right.
It’s called a union. The Teamsters can bring the heat when need be. Why did the NMB finally issue the award, while they wanted to hold out? Teamsters. If it comes to a strike, who has support? Teamsters. Who has a voice on the hill? Teamsters.

How much does the FAPA board make in salary? How much does the IBT Executive Board get paid?

There is no support from the Frontier Pilots for IBT because they don’t know what we offered as a transitional agreement. It has been explained to FAPA leadership, have they communicated our plans?
I agree forcing one group on the other will not work. With that said, we have proposed a solution that will combine all groups as a single representative body. Unfortunately we have been told it will not work. I don’t believe a separate but equal structure is the right way to go.
This says the Frontier pilots want to remain separate. They want to have their contract until 2015. This contract will include 190 rates they are currently negotiating (whipsaw). How can FAPA negotiate rates for IBT pilots? This also includes the concessions they are negotiating.
IBT 357 believes the IMSL should prevail. We agreed to final and binding arbitration. We don’t go back on our word. We do not file lawsuits saying the Midwest pilots should not be a part of the integration. IBT 357 will not make a “best effort” to implement the award, we will stand by our commitment to adhere to the arbitrated award.

This RPC idea sounds good on the surface and in theory, but once we break it down, it is obviously not something that will unify our group. RPC is designed to be separate but equal. The Teamsters have no interest in being separate.

On a personal note, I couldn’t care less about the Teamsters. To me, this about doing the right thing for our pilot group. In my opinion, RPC is a divisive group masking itself as a potential unified body. IBT 357 has been consistent in wanting a truly unified group.

There’s only one choice – Vote Teamsters!

Open Letter to Pat Gannon (Local 357 ExCo Chair):

Pat,

I’ve tried to stay out of this but can no longer. You have repeatedly taken the position of “honesty” and “truth.”

I am politely and professionally requesting that your messages to the pilots be truthful and factual. You have made several statements to your members that simply are not true (surprise, your members send your communications to us). I am not accusing you of lying, it’s entirely possible you simply misunderstood or you are misinformed. Please verify your facts before claiming them as such.

1- We did NOT say we had “no interest” in our committees working together.
2- We did NOT tell IBT (or anyone else) that we wanted you or the ExCo out of leadership under the RPC – quite the opposite.
3- We HAVE tried and HAVE had discussions on how to come together – but the “together” has been IBT way or the highway
4- We have NOT said your negotiations should be put on hold – we have said the opposite
5- We have NOT said everything smaller than an Airbus should be outsourced.
6- CHT CBA Representation, dues and contract would NOT be controlled by FAPA under the RPC
7- You have NOT offered us guaranteed positions or 357 representation on a Transitional Executive Council
8- RAH is/has NOT attempted to “whipsaw” the groups by offering your 2003 E190 rates to us.

These are only some of the statements you have made that are simply not true. There is a difference between campaign “spin” and false claims, if you truly want to unite the groups and win over Frontier pilots I suggest you learn the difference.

Feel free (in fact I encourage you to) share this email with your members, on APC or anywhere else.

-Scott Gould

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Vice President
Frontier Airline Pilots Association

Is this the same Scott Gould, VP of FAPA that said in an email exchange with Jerry Glass, as can be found under revised FAPA Exhibit 18 in the SLI proceedings:

"So if our CBA said that anyone we merge with gets stapled to the bottom the arbitrator is bound by that?!" (FAPA Ex. 18)

followed later by:

"So we're putting a wall (fence) up to prevent them from flying our airplanes as opposed to a floor (staple)- aren't we just talking semantics now? I don't see how they're realistically all that different." (FAPA Ex. 18)

It is interesting how tone changes. But, interestingly, the former FAPA President (JS- since he was not named the previous post) does say the following:

"In reading the IBT's CBA I can't find any language that does anything but force all parties into Integration talks under the LPP's guidance." (FAPA Ex. 18)

I bring all this up, because the people who are now yelling Unity, have filed a lawsuit (pending- naming me personally) and made a failed motion to reconsider with the NMB for Single Carrier Status- and this is all after the Eischen Award.

Once again, using logic and not emotion, how would RPC be completely opposite of past and ongoing events perpetrated by the same individuals- during the same time frame? Something smells very famliar.

Dan Sneddon
Capt. Republic Airlines

I don't see how that's worse than IBT producing an RAH pilot who stated (under oath), that his career expectation at RAH was to fly a 747 one day.

It has become painfully clear FAPA will do and say anything to stay in power. There is definitely a publkc smear campaign by FAPA trying to make the ibt look inept. FAPA has fought the integration and coming together every step of the way. How in the world can one believe they'll suddenly have a change of heart if "rpc" is voted in? With no bylaws or anything in place to legally bind the rpc (fapa) to do as they currently say they will, how can they be trusted? If fapa is willing to drop all litigation with rpc, then its for a reason. At this point, nothing fapa says in regards to integration can be believed.

Then nothing said by the ibt can be believed. If you are happy with what the ibt has got for you then vote for them. If not and you would like more vote for rpc. That's what it comes down to!

And you are happy with everything FAPA (RPC) has done for you? They sold your scope away not just in LOA 39 but previously with mesa, Republic, and Lynx. They signed a LOA with vauge terms and language that included the line that throws the whole LOA and contract out if the price of gas changes. They also demanded an integration of 3 Southwest Pilots to 1 F9 pilot and refused to negotiate with SWAPA, thus forcing Southwest to withdraw their bid. All the while the leadership was getting paid any where from $20,000 to $35,000 from the pilots on top of their pay from the airline. They are truely no different than Gene Sowell.

I realize that amount of money may seem like a lot to a Republic pilot. Here at Frontier we call that a stipend.

1. I have NEVER heard a complaint here about LOA 39. I'm not even sure what it is, but I've definitely noticed that it's a big deal at RAH. That's how much we care about that one.

2. You're lying about the LOA getting thrown out if the price of gas changes. If I'm wrong on this, please prove it.

3. You're misinformed (or lying) about the 3:1 with Southwest. Southwest refused to consider anything but a staple. We wanted some kind of ratio. The SWA time constraints were totally unworkable. Given a month or two, we might have worked that out, but you can't blame that on FAPA.

4. I think our FAPA leadership is a bargain at that price. They make less than I do (that money equates to only 20 hours a month on top of what the company pays them), and I'm very grateful that we have people willing to miss out on flying the line in order to serve the greater good.

Can you come up with anything more substantive? I've been through 3 airlines, 3 unions, and 2 bankruptcies. Frontier and FAPA outshine anything I've experienced in my career so far. Ask just about any Frontier pilot about it and they'll tell you the same.

Bingo! Compare your level of satisfaction with that of the average Frontier pilot (or bottom 10th percentile for that matter) and ask yourself who is more satisfied with their representation.

This is getting worse by the day. It used to be entertainingly silly...but now actually quite scary.

And worth every freaking penny! You couldn't pay me enough to do the work these excellent people do on our behalf. They work tirelessly in their efforts with a huge negative impact to their spare time and families. I'm more than happy to provide them this incentive.

On the contrary, it is unbelievably painfully clear that many on this board have made ZERO effort to even understand any of this. For starters, the RPC is a viable option conceived by FAPA and a handful of it's members. RPC is unequivocally NOT FAPA with a new name. RPC IS a joint "council" made up of 3 reps each from RAH and F9, most likely 3 IBT and3 FAPA. Ultimately that decision will be up to each and every one of us. Here at F9, we are quite happy with our current representation so will most certainly send 3 current FAPA reps to populate our seats on the RPC. In can't speak for "native" RAH guys but assume they would send 3 current 357 reps as well. Doesn't matter to me though. You can Micky Mouse, Daffy Duck and Bugs Bunny if you want. But it would be nice if the 6, in aggregate, have the smarts and skillsets to provide a unified leadership and guidance for our (initially) separate bargaining agents (IBT357 and FAPA) as efforts are made to work with each other rather than fight. You guys just don't seem to get (or want to get) this message. Yes, we want FAPA involved in the RPC in the same way IBT357 would be. I can just about guarantee you the Frontier pilot group will vote unanimously for RPC. It will not be any louder or clearer what we think the best and healthiest option is. Ultimately, this is your decision. You are all in the drivers seat here. The big question is, after studying the RPC option, is RPC a structure that could work for us all while also starting the process of healing, rather than continuing the divisiveness. Most of us think it is a decent compromise where no body loses, we can all win.

As for the litigation, I could pretty much assume FAPA had close to 100% support from their membership on the NMB and SLI challenges. And I'll be the first to agree that these actions would rub me the wrong way if I were in your shoes, but I'm not. If we can find a way (RPC?) to work together then I am in total support of stopping these counterproductive actions and focusing on out future together. However, if forced into unwanted representation by IBT, I (and I imagine most F9 pilots) will fully support any reasonable and legal effort to further delay this entire process. Right or wrong, I just can't feel comfortable with IBT representation as may well soon be dictated to us and see it in our best interest to force the issue with our $2.2M checkbook. None of this is meant as a threat, just a realistic take on what the future looks like depending on the choices you all make in the next few weeks.

In golfing terms, we're asking you to consider "laying up" and taking the safest shot. That way you might win the tournament. Or you could just wind up with your driver and cross your fingers you don't get buried in a trap or in the pond. Again, you guys get to choose, but PLEASE don't assume an IBT victory in this election will mark the beginning of a long period of peace and prosperity.

It highly doubt it will!

$5 per month per pilot to pay the $38,000. It'd be a bargain at $20 per month.

If you can't attack the message, uh....say something meaningless?

Forget the "golfing terms." This is nothing more than elementary playground antics (bullying). Allow me to translate this thinly veiled threat: FAPA - "We play OUR way, or we take our ball and go home."

Without a doubt, a bargain for the efforts we get.

Then I guess you ought to just let er rip, huh? Go for the 350 yard bomb. It's a lower percentage shot, but maybe worth the risk.. Your choice Fantasy Flier!

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Maybe I'm missing something but what's wrong with someone saying they plan on moving up to bigger equipment in the future? And how does that statement have anything to do with what Dan wrote above?

How would you know if you had when you don't even know what it is? I'd advise reading it.

Once again you should probably read it. The LOA wouldn't get "thrown out" but rather enacted.




Vote IBT.

You're saying it's your way or the highway. Doesn't sound like much of an option. If you're only looking out for yourself here why expect anything different of others? I'm not seeing your willingness to cooperate when you say to either vote RPC or you hope to be USAPA. When you start showing your true character like this I can't imagine anyone wanting your RPC.

We're saying it's your way for you, and our way for us, with coordination between the two for a common goal. You're saying it's IBT. Period. Not even the highway option.

D'oh! You weren't lying. My sincere apologies. We'd better hope that BB doesn't see that clause, or he'll toss the LOA. I'd say the conditions have been met. I wonder why he's even bothering with the collaborative bargaining thing.

Why did your exco back out of talking to the FAPA pilots?

The "Any other organization or individual" doesn't list the other options. Obviously I want other... is it FAPA, ALPA and UTU?

My personal recommendation is to write in "Republic Pilots Council". You can write in FAPA, ALPA, or UTU if you'd like also, but my guess is it would be a "wasted vote" if you are looking for something other than IBT. It will come down to 600+ votes for RPC and ???? for IBT, plus maybe a smattering of other choices.

Thanks for the info... but just to clarify RPC is the equivalent of FAPA pre RAH purchase? I haven't received anything other than the ballot in the past 14 months so a little uninformed.

Because FAPA would not allow the IBT BA (D.T.) to attend or the Airline Division Director (D.B.). They only wanted one person there to gang up against..... not a fair fight. Ask you RPC reps that were in MKE these last 2 days why they want their trips given back that they had pay protected to do RPC stuff in MKE.... I think they will tell you that they had the wrong, negative impression about IBT.

Pretty much. To continue a Transformers reference in another thread, The RPC.... FAPA in disguise!

I sent you a PM with the FAQ's about RPC.

In a nutshell, the FAPA reps continue to represent the F9 pilots, and the Local 357 reps continue to represent the RAH pilots. A joint council of 3 reps from each group would work together towards "becoming one". Each group would be free to choose their leadership (as opposed to the current situation at RAH where an attempt to oust IBT constitutes something akin to treason and could cost you your job).

It's my personal hope that it would benefit the RAH pilots by working towards using collaborative bargaining to achieve outcomes that benefit both the employees and the company, vs the current negotiating stalemate. Collaborative bargaining by FAPA has brought many benefits, such as our recent LOA's that now allows pilots to pick up trips after the previous close of opentime, and drop trips after that deadline, depending on reserve staffing levels. Good for the goose and good for the gander, vs. the "if we don't get what we want, we'll strike!" mentality.

Another advantage - ALL of your dues will go to your local representation, without a chunk going to National to fight for the interests of truckers, plumbers, etc. That was my biggest peeve with ALPA in a previous life at a commuter - our dues were used to represent the interests the the majors.

That's a lie - FAPA said that they could bring the whole EXCO if they wanted, just not reps from national.

Still haven't found the "ignore" button. It's gotta be on here somewhere. So let me phrase things in a way more suitable to your tastes TD.

What I am trying to say TD, is that regardless if it right or wrong (probably wrong), there are going to be 700ish unhappy pilots joining your ranks. Let's be real about this, we (F9/FAPA) got our arses handed to us in the SLI and STS decisions. Not even close to what we imagined or thought (again, right or wrong) was reasonable. That being said, too bad for us, right? You guys have all the cards here and can play them however you want to. I'll need to eventually accept my fate and live with all of this (most likely I'll just bail all together on the airline biz). It's a tough pill to swallow for all of us over here. It makes it even tougher seeing what a good job the IBT has done of brainwashing you guys into accepting everything you hear or are told. I know from personal experience that not all of the "native" RAH pilots have yours, SLUMLAVs or STINKYs attitudes (just to name a few). I RARELY see a "native" RAH pilot post anything positive about anything. You guys come across as militant, inflexible and arrogant if I may say so. Many of us at Frontier have bent over backwards over the past week or so trying to bang any minute particle of reason into your heads which all seem firmly planted in the sand. It's totally unbelievable!

How am I doing so far TD? Getting a little under your skin? Should I bust out the RJP terminology that I took so much flack having fun with 3 months ago? Nah, I won't go their because, for most of you, it's not a fair representation of your (not yours) professionalism.

So where was I? Oh yeah, trying to express how fracked up this situation is and how attitudes, arrogance, stubbornness and ignorance are going to make it worse. I'm a pretty normal levelheaded guy who just enjoys flying for a living. I can accept my fair share of disappointment which I have done and will continue to do. But right now, I'll be honest with you, I'm pi$$ed. There are a lot of good people over here at Frontier having a lot of $hi+ pulled out from under them. Many of us would like to help make things better. Again, I didn't know about the RPC until less than 2 weeks ago. When I learned about it (yes, I actually drove an hour on a day off to spend 2 hours asking questions, etc.) I felt that this could be something that MIGHT have a chance in ending this non-sense. Maybe we could get you guys to give just a little, throw us a bone, give this lowlife group of pilots a dignified way to ease our way into your country club. Let us be part of the process, not kicking us to the curb like a bunch of trash.

It was a nice try. I know that 700 of us over here are evidently stupid enough to think this is a reasonable idea. Maybe, some of the more reasonable pilots in your group might feel the same. I'm really not holding out hope, but I'd like to think that there is some empathy and honesty left in this situation. Probably not.

Anyway, many of you are seriously misinformed about EVERYTHING, and right now the RPC is on the top of that list. You already know what you want, you're not willing to listen to any other option. No effort to "cross the aisle" or even contemplate it. Doesn't work so well in Congress does it? So the days are counting down to the end of the Evildoers know as FAPA. The great International Brotherhood of Teamsters will soon take a victory lap while rubbing each of our noses into it, never ONCE, taking a moment to think about the consequences related to their "victory". Me and my 700ish brothers and sisters are willing to work with you to ease the sting, but in our continued moments of weakness, you simply want to crush us and then give us a big hug and say "welcome to the family". You are delusional if you think everything is going to be A-OK after June 28th. The vocal RAHbros response to an honest effort to find some common ground looks to have been essentially ignored. That's your and your IBT357's call. Good luck with it, because, as pi$$ed off as this whole process has made you, we are that more pi$$ed. How do you think this is all going to work out now if everyone at Frontier feels this way? It is going to be a disaster of epic proportions.

You TD are a lost cause (if not just for the sheer amount of time you spend perusing this miserable site), but many of your fellow co-workers may not want to continue down the "battle path" that has been ingrained in your head. I think I'll sign off before I say something really stupid. I'm sure my brother F9 A319 wishes he could reign me in before I hit the "submit" button. Ain't gonna happen.

Before I go; to all the reasonable people at RAH, please accept my apologies in advance if you have felt insulted by anything I said. It is not aimed at you, just the vocal minority present on these boards. And to my F9bros, this probably won't help the cause one bit, but I'm not sure how else to convey the message.

Yup. I was genuinely looking forward to visiting with Mr. Gannon tomorrow afternoon. Would have been valuable to have some discussions with the leader of the IBT357 as the only thing I have ever received from them is a Robo-Call and a flyer in the mail. I didn't give a care what anyone from National had to say. I wanted to talk to those who may very soon be representing me. Not the puppetmasters. What a joke!

Not true. Sizzle is correct.

357 ExCo was invited! What happened?
Let me here all the brain washing/militant excuses.
Man up! or better yet Girl up!

Ask Pat to explain this email....

"On Jun 7, 2011 10:54 AM
>> > Pat,
>> >
>> > Our members are familiar with IBT and 747 (some were under it). They would like to hear from you, not national, on how 357 is run and how you envision the future. You're welcome to bring another ExCo member, but CA Bourne was intentionally not invited for this session.
"

The Local 357 wants to claim that they are "nearly an independant union", however when the cards on the table the Local 357 will not participate unless the "international union" is present.

I feel sorry for the 357 membership. You guys are being played by the IBT. Keep funding their pensions.
Keep throwing away $700,000 annually for nothing.

Mulva there's no real point in your banter so I'll just say this. There's a difference with people not being happy with their company and not being happy with their union. Our local, compared to what it was under the 747, has been doing a great job. They have my support in it's entirety which was not easily won. I'm sure if your points are valid the votes will show that.

I find it hard to believe the Majority of RAH pilots would have a short enough memory to vote for IBT. This election is an opportunity for you to prove you are wiser than the bad rap you have received. I'm done defending RAH if that happens. Good luck Duck.

If you're going to quote, quote all of it...
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Mulva, Faultpush, et.al.,

Not one pilot that I know of would ever want to "rub former FAPA pilots' noses" in anything should the IBT prevail. Not only would that be counter-productive, but that would be against everything that we stand for.

As someone who has been through an intergation before, and please believe the size of the transaction does not dampen hostility or anger, it was my duty and desire to include those from the previously other side.

Captain Gannon and Captain Dee are both "original" Shuttle America pilots and on the Executive Council with Captain Gannon being Chairman. On my Intergation Committee was Travis Hamilton- also "original" Shuttle who was on their Integration Committe. On my Negotiations Committee presently is Craig Moffatt, formerly the Greivance Committee Chairman for Midwest as well as was on their Negotiations Committee.

As I have said before, it is extremely difficult to take emotion out of these situations and I would not want to downplay what any Frotier, Midwest, or Lynx pilot has been through. I base my argurments on logic. We have demonstrated inclusion- not exclusion, by our past actions shown above.

The IBT does not wish to change the identity of any Frontier pilot, just as I will always be a Chautauqua pilot at heart, as will the Midwest, and lYnx pilots. However, as Republic piots under the IBT it has been shown that inclusion is the key and is not based on a futuristic hypothetical "what could happen" under the RPC, with TWO separate bargaining untis- which I have also shown in another post has never worked throughout history.

I cannot and will not support two separate bargaining units for these logical reasons. That is why pilots who want to move forward and make life better for everyone, stopping the whipsaws, and give weight to the Frontier pilots' ability to stop the predatory madness of RAH eating away at their CBA- will support the IBT.

I wish every pilot the best at Frontier, as well as the former Midwest and Lynx pilots. Those Midwest and Lynx pilots who have actually met and/or flown with me know I mean that. 'One List, One Voice, and One Contract" provide the best alternative to what is happenning today at RAH.

Respectfully,

Dan Sneddon,
Capt. Republic Airlines

After the vote is over then and only then will be be able to sit down talk about having a inhouse union. We can do it the correct way and hopefully it will work out and when can have another vote.

Until then.. I support and will continue to support the IBT.

Ditto sir.... Ditto.

Nice post TD. I can live with that post, even respect what you say. Neither of us ever have to agree with the other, but at least we can make an attempt to tear through all this BS and lend a little credence to the others viewpoints. It's the attacking manner and head in the sand approach that really irritates me so much on this board. Whatever comes of all of this we will need to live with, good or bad. I just wish we could figure out a way to make the chances of it being good that much more for sure.

I guess I will quit looking for that "ignore" button.