IBT wins Representation election at Republic
 

The votes have been counted. There were 2946 eligible voters. 1692 voted for the IBT.

Best of luck to the IBT Airline Division and Local 357. I am not sure what they can do in an effort to bring the 1300 pilots that did not vote for the IBT over to their side, but I hope they have some positive and productive ideas.

Majority rules.

If you were RAH management and over 40% of your pilots publicly showed their lack of support for the representation, would you exploit the rift?

They do, but will those ideas be received by a spiteful pilot group that is interested in being like a child throwing temper tantrums?

Only time will tell if we can work together, or if it will be like throwing a tennis ball against a brick wall.

You just summed up the IBT in two words. Why work collaboratively towards the development of something that actually works when we can just impose our will on everyone.

They do? What are these great ideas and why have they been kept secret?

You are the one causing divisiveness. The election is over. Take your shared account and go away now.

yes, but only 2439 voted. Therefor, there are really only 747 that said no to the IBT. Please post all the facts. Also, why don't you include that FAPA only got 13. ALPA got more than FAPA.

Outside of that, it is time to come together. Quit trying to delay everything, get on board, and lets make this thing work. The longer that you hold out(RPC/FAPA, ETC) the longer it will take to get you back what you guys deserve.

[QUOTE=DoubtingThomas;1014676]They do, but will those ideas be received by a spiteful pilot group that is interested in being like a child throwing temper tantrums?


Are you comparing Republic to Usair Easties?

No. And apparently, every post must be 10 characters.

Interesting spin , during the election the IBT campaigned that "a failure to vote equals a vote for no union". Now a person that skips the vote is considered a "yes" vote for the IBT?

The IBT earned 1600/2900 votes. Period, end of story.

FAPA members voted for RPC, the 13 that voted for FAPA apparently live on another planet.

It was time to come together, now it is time for the Local 357 to walk the walk. One voice, one list, one contract. Let's see some action behind all the hyperbole.

The latter it will be.

Get on board of what? Not going to happen RAH BRO!

2463 votes were cast.
1692 of which were for the Teamsters 68.7%

24 voted for no representation
643 for RPC
13 for FAPA

What about the 500 eligible voters that didn't take the time to vote?

FAPA had +95% participation.

Several hundred current IBT members are impressed with their current representation that they couldn't even be bothered to vote.

RAH has 2946 eligible pilots, IBT received 1692 votes.

55% want the IBT, 45 % want anything but the IBT.

What's it like to be the ToiletDuck of the former FAPpers?

I would imagine it sucks. I'm as embarrassed for you as I am for him, and trust me, I've done some things, and I don't embarrass easily.

This pretty much ended down party lines. Percentage is about where I thought it would be.

Bolo, your attitude continues to impress me every day. Take a day or two to be bitter, then get your head in the game, figure out who the real enemy is and join the team. Either that or put your damn resume. We don't need that here anymore. Your leadership did what they thought was best for you, it didn't work. In the end I think you'll be no worse off for it but it is what is. What kind of man are you going to be? What kind of example are you going to be to "less experienced" pilots? Right now it's one we will ignore.

Ahahahahaha!!!! IBT wins...awesome. The Frontier pilots have done nothing to work with the RAH pilots from day one, and you think there's a fat chance in hell any Republic pilot with common sense would vote for the "RPC" aka. FAPA?? I think its great IBT won the vote, because it speaks volumes about our unity. But honestly, I hope F9 goes Ch. 7 in the next year or two and their pilots go with it.

55% is still greater than 45%. No amount of spin is going to change the results. Your biggest asset to the new group as a whole is experience and the ability to get the vote out. We knew your participation would be high. Now that we are all one (finally) you need to keep the momentum going as there is still a lot of work that needs to be done. If RPC unity is what you really want, push for that unity behind the IBT. If it stops the true colors will really be known. What is your choice. Sore loser or a man of your words?

I have already been working towards unity under the IBT, with the 357 Exco.

Or were Lynx employees. We have received nothing from the company or any union since April/10 furlough. I had to do some research after recieving the ballot since I didn't know who "other" was.

Either way... it's all over now.

glad to hear it, in the end that is what is best for the group as a whole.

87 alpa votes

Not an opinion held by everyone here. Unity is just that. Wishing harm on our new fellow brothers and sisters isn't a very good example of said unity.

It's time for everyone to recycle their BS-ponder from the events of the SLI, election, ect.

I personally want to welcome our new fellow pilots and look forward to their participation, expertise, and professionalism.

No, it is not considered a yes, or a no. Just trying to show the spin you are putting on it. Just showing the numbers. You stated, 1300, it is 747 of the ones that voted. 470+ didn't vote for whatever reason.

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that is the total eligible, not just RAH, but then again you are correct, we are all RAH! F9 had what 700 give or take to vote. Add in lynx and midwest and you get the total, stop trying to play the numbers game. BB already did that with you guys!

Rhetorically wondering, and how has that been working for you and the F9 pilots?

You don't really need to respond.......

This is the reason that other airline pilots look down at and dislike RAH pilots. I truly hope you get furloughed someday.:mad:

This doesn't help either. Emotions are high. Seriously everyone needs to take a few days then put all of this behind you. Good or bad. What's done is done. The enemy is not our fellow pilots but the man who just took concessions from you and his henchmen. Eyes on the prize people.

Don't listen to that RAH dude, that's very immature. I'm glad the IBT won and I do think that we can work together as one group. That's if everyone is able to keep an open mind. Welcome to 357 Frontier/Lynx/Midwest guys and gals.

I truly hope that the F9 pilots have an equal say relative to the RAH pilots in some fashion. The good thing about the RPC concept is that it provided equal advocacy at the council level, and relative percentage representation at the voting level.

Hopefully we can work out an equitable arrangement with the EXCO.

Frontier pilots, welcome to IBT. It will be as good as we collectively want to make it. For the pilot posting under the RPC tag, there's no productive point in spinning the results one way or another... it's not like it came down to a hanging chad. Let's move forward. I think it's safe to say that, aside from the standard fringe 2% or so of any pilot group, the Embraer pilots are as interested in improvements in pay, work rules and QOL across the board as the Airbus and Q-400 pilots, so that this place becomes a career worthy of our time and efforts.

Again, welcome.

So you are celebrating a win and defending a group that you hated (up until recently) and that has a history of doing nothing? Wow! Good luck and keep supporting them as you move forward into more of the same. Congrats on the victory.

700 FAPA pilots getting 3 votes and 2000 RAH pilots getting 3 votes didn't sound fair to me.

Adding the fact that we would have to start hiring arbitrators (or whatever "mutually agreeable resolution process") just to get anything done between the two unions doesn't sound like one union. Sounds like dealing with the company.

Quit putting spin on it. Are you going to argue that the legislative branch of our government isn't fair?

Sure, I'll give you a hand beating that dead horse...

It's not spin, it's my opinion.
But, to continue your analogy, currently we have a Republican controlled Congress and a Democratic controlled Senate. How effective have they been in the last year? Why would I want to support a system that is going to be just as dysfunctional and spend a ton of cash on a Legislative branch (or in this case, arbitrators). This would have, in effect made RPC an combination of FAPA pilots, FFD pilots, and arbitrators on permanent retainer.

And again, completely my opinion, but for FAPA to attempt to create RPC and at the same time file a lawsuit to nullify the IMSL didn't really instill a lot of trust from our pilot group.

That WASN'T my analogy, but if you're going down that road, are you a fan of Obama-care? That's the result of one party controlling both branches of congress. Abortions becoming altogether illegal in all circumstances would be result of all branches swinging far to the right.

But like I said, that wasn't my analogy. My point is that the logical extension of your argument is that the congress isn't fair to states like California and New York. Rolling F9 into RAH isn't fair to the F9 guys, unless you can explain how we would reasonably end up with ANY representation on the EXCO.

Just registered to say as a Frontier pilot I'm not interested in Teamsters or being represented by a bunch of commuter pilots, furthermore no RAH or Teamsters crew members will occupy my jumpseats. If by any chance you are released and actually strike, I'll continue to fly and will not respect your picket lines. I do expect for the union representation I actually voted for to continue to expend all FAPA funds necessary to fight this and to return all funds to the current FAPA membership if necessary to keep them out of Teamsters hands. If this is not plain enough let me elaborate, I will not support Teamsters in any fashion or manner.

So you plan to start a jumpseat war and declare that you will be a SCAB...I understand that there is emotion tied to today's announcment...but really? I know that you are part of the 2% but man I hope cooler heads will prevail.