Please tell me how ALPA screwed you at Spirit? There is such a thing as reasonable expectations. What were your expectations and how did they fail you?

ONCE AGAIN, we went backward. They don't print that in the ALPA propaganda manual we pay to have distributed monthly, but it happened.

the dues for ALPA are 1.95% not 1.97%.

So you received pay raises, but you went backwards? Why? Because you lost some premium pay? You shouldn't have to rely on premium pay for your income. Personally, I hate extra flying. I want as much $$$ for as little work possible.

Keep the change

So now ALPA takes sole responsibility? Not the pilot group? The company's finances?

If you are expecting 300/hour you are probably working at the wrong company.

Nope, The MEC mantra for the last two years of bargaining was PAY PARITY. Middle of the peer group. We fell far short of that.

OK, is this now ALPA national's fault, your own MEC, or your pilot group?

Who were you trying to match? Did your company have a similar or better financial position?

So are you telling me you would do better with an in-house union or none at all? Do 500 pilots have the cash to do this on its own?

Management was after serious concessions, did you give in to them?

This is exactly the Mentality that is ruining this profession and this country, people want to get paid big bucks for doing as little as possible. How about being a productive member of society and your company. Featherbedding is ruining the profession in my opinion. Southwest pilots lead the industry because they are productive, not because they featherbed. Just my opinion.

All Three.

ALPA National applies pressure to the MEC:
- They have to work with the NMB in the future, so they couldn't tell the flight attendant that brokered the deal to pound sand.
- No where in the 6-8 page back-to-work agreement did the "high powered" ALPA attorney put in place a contingency as to what would happen IF the membership did not ratify the TA.

MEC applies pressure to the pilot group:
-"We are in no-mans land if we don't ratify" (should have been fixed above) aka SCARE TACTICS
- MASSIVE SALES JOB on the TA- including misrepresenting other airlines' retirement plans to make NK's look ok in comparison.

Pilot Group:
- Some scared out of their minds
- Some had no confidence in the MEC
- Unfortunately many were apathetic
- A couple (inhabitants of this forum) actually liked it