what you are missing is that when new NEOs come on board, they are outside the fence. That allows native RAH guys to bid said vancancies and come into DEN as Airbus captains. Since I doubt that there will be 2 Airbus lists, those native-RAH guys will slide to whatever position on the DEN list they have on the IMSL. This will still be outside the fence but the top of the DEN list. Whatever Airbus is assigned to a flight, they will fly it. this is all within the CBA as these are post-purchase announced growth airplanes. If the C-Series comes first, then they can create a C-series list IAW the IMSL.

Unfortunately, the fence may not be a real seven year fence. Eischen will rule any day now and the fence may end up being a "captain fence".

As a MKE based airbus pilot, I will move down 9 spots on a 29 pilot list. Not much of a fence. It almost feels like a "bump and flush", something that the Award specifically prohibited.

We will find out tomorrow or the next day.....

What is it about the following paragraph that you fail to comprehend....

"Also included is a limited duration aircraft-defined "fence" establishing time-specific priority

rights for pilots to fly hard metal or constructive aircraft "brought to the table" by their respective groups, as well as replacements for those aircraft acquired during the fence period. Articulation of the reciprocal fence protections in terms of "priorities" means that, to the extent fenced positions remain open after the exercise of a protected groups priority rights, other pilots on the IMSL can bid for such open positions, in accordance with their integrated seniority and the terms and conditions of applicable CBA provisions; rather than the Carrier filling those positions by hiring new pilots off the street. Those reciprocal, limited duration and aircraft-type defined priority fences do not apply to the E-190 aircraft, flown by none prior to the transactions, or to the anticipated out-year delivered Bombardier CS300 aircraft; both of which fall in a free fly zone between those fences."

If you guys succeed in your dispute and redefine the fence after the fact, there will definitely be IMSL FO's that move to the top of the FO list. However, there will NEVER be IMSL pilots that move to the left seat of the airbus, neo or non-neo, prior to the end of the fence.

You not only have the "replacement" piece wrong, but the trigger that allows an IMSL pilot the ability to bid an airbus vacancy is an insufficient number of Frontier pilot bids. There will never be an insufficient number of Captain bids.

Bedford is keeping the C-series orders in his back pocket in the event of furthur mainline scope relief. If he can, he will replace the entire FFD fleet with C-series.

If there is no additional scope relieve, the c-series order is dead. He negotiated 144-174 seat Neo's for the price of a C-series. He is not going to buy a smaller plane and put it on the brand. Evidence of this is the cancelation of four 190 deliveries and the increasing number of seats going into the airbus.

Any-who, you sound really excited about flying for Frontier for a guy that keeps saying that he doesn't want to fly here.

So the new E-Board is in place, without one ballot being cast.

So sad.

I can't fathom how SEVEN positions can be filled uncontested. There are almost 2000 RAH pilots (not including the 700 Frontier pilots that were never informed of the election that was supposedly being delayed for their participation).

2000 pilots, and only 7 people stand up?

Every single position on a new board is unopposed? You guys are currently in mediation for a CBA that has been amendable for over four years and you can't attract more than 7 pilots that want to be involved? I honestly can't comprehend this level of apathy. You should have 2000 pilots competing for 7 spots, not 7 pilots accepting a vacancy.

It looks like DT has hand picked his new E-Board.

I wonder if the 1993 pilots that were not interested in participation reallize that the Local 357 By-Laws have an interesting twist on a IBT Consitution and By-Law position.

The IBT C&B's require that the Business Agent is elected by the membership.

The Local 357 By Laws require that the Business Agent is appointed by the President of the E-Board.

Doug just appointed the President. I wonder who the President will appoint as the BA.

You guys saw that change when you ratified your new By-Laws right?

Best of luck with the new E-Board. Congrats to those that were "elected". On the bright side, look how much money that was saved on postage.

At least DT can stop ignoring my emails now.

Mike

define "replace". if the NEOs replace the original airbuses 1 for 1, then sure they're fenced. when there are more airbuses flying at RAH then was purchased from Frontier, those are outside the fence.

so sad...

Doesn't the arbitration say "A318/A319/A320", not "A320 with CFM engines"?

that's my point, thanks.

It wouldn't be hard to get an interpretation from Eischen as to what is a replacement airplane vs. that which was ordered outside the fence/outside the purchase of F9. I think a simple case could be made with press releases that these are growth, not replacement airplanes.

I am not excited at all for F9.

Ah.....more wisdom from the entitled ones.

All bow.....

From the award:

"Frontier Pilots will have priority for all CA and FO jobs on Airbus 320 family aircraft (A318, A319, A320, and A321)"

It sounds like IBT intends to argue that some A320's aren't A320's. If Frontier acquires, say, 3 A320-131's, will IBT argue that RAH needs to train 30 pilots to fly those instead of Frontier pilots?

I just can't see Eischen saying that Republic will need to pull a Frontier crew off a flight if they have a last minute aircraft swap into a NEO. For IBT to argue that is asinine, and another failure to represent the interests of the Frontier pilots.