Haven't we been through this before?

Perhaps you'd be happier at a non ALPA Cargo carrier? Such as Centurion, Kalitta, National, or Southern to name a few. They seem to have superior pay, benefits, and work rules. :D

How about Evergreen? 1999 CBA, amendedable in 2005, joined ALPA in 2007. They are still under their 1999 CBA, and the only thing is they have lost 1.95% in pay since 2007 to now (2012) and have nothing to show for it! Oh, they did get one TA which was basically an extension of the current contract for another two years. Thanks ALPA!

YES! YES! Let's bring back the FPA. Or better yet, the FAB! Why even have a "third party" get in between us and management? How'd you vote on the PC negotiated (dictated) FPA contract of 1997? How'd you vote on the 1999 (articles of surrender) contract? Those were both brilliant pieces of work.

It's been said before: It's not the initials on the letterhead. It's the backbone of the pilot group that determines the outcome. Unforunately, we have been sadly lacking that in most cases.

Regards,
Clutch

"It's not the initials on the letterhead. It's the backbone of the pilot group that determines the outcome. Unforunately, we have been sadly lacking that in most cases."



Tru Dat!

Or maybe Atlas? Who in their merged CBA saw a 34% increase for Polar crews and 27% for Atlas to come to parity. Who have a growing carrier and in 2011 handed out profit sharing checks based on 18.5% of W-2. The fact is each of them is under Section 6 and will do exponentially better percentage and work rules wise than any contract negotiated by ALPA for a few years now.

Odd thing. It also seems all these ALPA carriers are talking decert. How's organizing been working for ALPA lately? JetBlue? American? USAirways? Sky West? Multiple failures and millions lost on organizing drives. Wonder what the common thread was?

And then Prater "poached" North American. His own people said it would cost over $18,000 a month to represent them with ZERO financial gain. Wonder how much support they'll get in bankruptcy.

Why would FedEx leave? Could it be over the fact that ALPA dismissed their concerns over Age 65? Maybe that when ALPA needed to replace the VP-Finance because they had lost to USAPA and Chris had to step down, instead of electing an emminently qualified financial guy from FedEx, Prater pushed Randy Helling...who had zero financial experience, save picking up the bar tab.

Or could it be both of those things and the realization that no matter WHAT FedEx does, they will always be looked down upon as a non legacy and because cargo pilots aren't "real pilots" because "real pilots" fly people?

Prater was not good for the majority of the ALPA membership.

If I recall correctly, he was voted in when many ALPA members were on furlough and could not participate.

We need to remember his agenda and stand guard against a return to that type of leadership.

Independent Pilots Association, we do not belong in ALPA.

What would constitute a "real union"? This is not flamebait im asking a serious question.

Thank you! Absolutely 100% correct. The whole tired "let's get rid of ALPA" argument is a complete waste of time. The problem is not ALPA (or APA, USAPA, etc.). I have lots of friends at Airways and they can not believe how much of a disaster USAPA has been.

FedEx or Delta management would absolutely love to see ALPA voted out......why do you think that is?