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FlyByNyte 05-05-2012 06:35 AM

ALPA loses last ditch effort
 
ALPA looses last ditch effort to avoid TWA damages:

Delta Pilots Association - DPA News - TWA Lawsuit Update:eek:

asiabased 05-05-2012 07:32 AM

This could be a monumental assessment for all of us (per my DAL buds in the $15-30K range). Imagine what it will be if the DAL pilots leave ALPA. FDX pilots have agency shop which means pay up or be terminated. This might not be good.

4A2B 05-05-2012 08:44 AM


Originally Posted by asiabased (Post 1182387)
This could be a monumental assessment for all of us (per my DAL buds in the $15-30K range). Imagine what it will be if the DAL pilots leave ALPA. FDX pilots have agency shop which means pay up or be terminated. This might not be good.

Not that it could not be attempted, but any assessment would have to be approved by the entire ALPA membership via a majority vote. That would be a tough nut to crack, and I certainly would not vote to approve a TWA assessment. I think the DPA is probably using this as a high vis issue to help gain cards, not an entirely stupid idea but it is a little of the sky is falling so you better get out while you can.

I would bet a large sum of coin that if the Board even attempted a vote for a large assessment that the first think that would happen at Purple is a de-certification vote. We already pay enough, ALPA will have to find another way to deal with TWA, should they actually have to pay up. IMHO

Huck 05-05-2012 09:01 AM

Bankruptcy.

And it's "lose."

Lifizgud 05-05-2012 09:06 AM


Originally Posted by Huck (Post 1182425)
Bankruptcy.

And it's "lose."

'loses', actually...:D

Nightflyer 05-05-2012 09:46 AM

I read about this about a year ago. Has anyone seen a message line from the FedEx MEC explaining this to us? Explaining how much this might cost us? Explaining why we should pay for ALPA national's screw up?

I have talked about it with other crewmembers, and they look at me like they have never even heard about it.

If I am not mistaken, and if I am, someone will surely correct me, ALPA threw the TWA pilots under the bus BEFORE FedEx joined ALPA. IF that is true, why should I pay for something ALPA national did BEFORE we joined them.

If this goes through, and we are told we need to "do the right thing", and pay up for national's mistakes, I will be the first to sign a petition to decertify ALPA at FedEx!

skeptic 05-05-2012 09:57 AM

Please consider the source of this info. ALPA has not yet been assessed for any damages, and the $1.2 billion "estimate" from the Delta group is pure BS. Also, ALPA has well above $90 million in insurance coverage for this litigation. It is unlikely that any ALPA member will be assessed to pay any TWA damages. The Delta group is just using this as a scare tactic in their campaign.

Gunter 05-05-2012 10:13 AM

Nevermind. Are they getting any traction to form their own union?

What spurred them on? The NWA merger?

Nightflyer 05-05-2012 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by skeptic (Post 1182441)
Please consider the source of this info. ALPA has not yet been assessed for any damages, and the $1.2 billion "estimate" from the Delta group is pure BS. Also, ALPA has well above $90 million in insurance coverage for this litigation. It is unlikely that any ALPA member will be assessed to pay any TWA damages. The Delta group is just using this as a scare tactic in their campaign.

How about you get the MEC to come out with a statement that says that no FedEx pilot is going to be forced to pay an assessment for this debacle? How about you get them to publicly go on record and sign said statement?

$90 million is nothing on a $1 billion tab. Also, another airline is starting up the same type of lawsuit. How much you wanna bet ALPA loses that one as well?

johnso29 05-05-2012 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by Nightflyer (Post 1182456)
How about you get the MEC to come out with a statement that says that no FedEx pilot is going to be forced to pay an assessment for this debacle? How about you get them to publicly go on record and sign said statement?

$90 million is nothing on a $1 billion tab. Also, another airline is starting up the same type of lawsuit. How much you wanna bet ALPA loses that one as well?

How much do you want to bet that even if an award is given, this will be dragged out for many years to come. ALPA can make this take 10+ years. Appeals court, Supreme Court, etc. Look at the Ford Dealerships who sued Ford for overcharging them for trucks. That lawsuit was filed 10 years ago, and it's STILL not over. I guarantee you ALPA has deeper pockets.


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