Just wondering about scabs . . .
05-24-2014, 09:26 PM
#22
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Joe, WADR good luck with this thread esp if Jesus helps you deal. I have been stuck flying next to CAL '83-'85 guys constantly for 5 out of my 8 years at this place. I know quite well that they have screwed this profession as hard as possible for three decades and become millionaires with 30 Year ALPA pins in exchange for their disgusting behavior. Forgiveness!?! How about adios you worthless SCAB!
05-25-2014, 12:50 AM
#23
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If they would have given up their seniority in the past 30 years and went to the bottom of the list, perhaps they would have earned forgiveness.
Better yet, eating a bullet would have been acceptable as well.
Almost a waste of a perfectly good hunk of lead, though.........
Better yet, eating a bullet would have been acceptable as well.
Almost a waste of a perfectly good hunk of lead, though.........
05-25-2014, 04:15 AM
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For the sake of the industry, no forgiveness. Deterrence is the name of the game. The fact that 30+ years later scabs are still suffering for their bad decision is a major reason many will not scab today....treating scabs like the turds that they are is the industry equivalent of public executions.
05-25-2014, 08:24 AM
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I have six captains on my no fly list. Only one rode the special bus. I find most of the special captains I work with are fine to be around and fly with. Just watch your back during the special times......Ahhh yesss, those special times.....Can't you just feel the love......I can't....
05-25-2014, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
ALPA forgave them
Can not even begin to forgive until the day they stop committing the crime. As of now they still are enjoying the fruits of there most pathetic action and contintue to harm society. They can quit tomorrow and start trying to earn there place back in society.
05-25-2014, 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by oldmako
ShyGuy
Care to elaborate?
I'll side with SpecialTracking on this one.
Care to elaborate?
I'll side with SpecialTracking on this one.
If ALPA had a collective set of balls they would refuse these pilots. When I worked at an ALPA airline, in ground school we were told our two options were join ALPA and pay the 1.95% or we could refuse and not be ALPA but still pay a 1.95% "contract maintenance" fee. Scabs should have been forced to be in the latter.
05-25-2014, 08:55 AM
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It's a seniority driven system, that's why you have each pilot looking out only for número uno. Picket line means pilots are fighting hard to be paid fair wages and withholding their services. Scabs go to work anyway across the picket line. Why? You'd have to ask a scab. But I imagine the reasons are the same.
I still don't get how this is any different than one airline trying to fight for a better contract while another airlines pilots agree to take concessions for more planes and is awarded flying from airline #1 and that airline then subsequently loses planes and pilots. Concessionary pilots say they have bills and a mortgage to pay and that you weren't gonna pay those. Again, looking out for número uno. Yeah yeah, it's "not the same as scabbing" but the results and reasons are all the same.
I still don't get how this is any different than one airline trying to fight for a better contract while another airlines pilots agree to take concessions for more planes and is awarded flying from airline #1 and that airline then subsequently loses planes and pilots. Concessionary pilots say they have bills and a mortgage to pay and that you weren't gonna pay those. Again, looking out for número uno. Yeah yeah, it's "not the same as scabbing" but the results and reasons are all the same.
05-25-2014, 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
They are dues paying good standing pilots like any other. Don't they also have 25-30 year ALPA pins?
If ALPA had a collective set of balls they would refuse these pilots. When I worked at an ALPA airline, in ground school we were told our two options were join ALPA and pay the 1.95% or we could refuse and not be ALPA but still pay a 1.95% "contract maintenance" fee. Scabs should have been forced to be in the latter.
If ALPA had a collective set of balls they would refuse these pilots. When I worked at an ALPA airline, in ground school we were told our two options were join ALPA and pay the 1.95% or we could refuse and not be ALPA but still pay a 1.95% "contract maintenance" fee. Scabs should have been forced to be in the latter.
05-25-2014, 09:10 AM
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My question is if UAL was to strike tomorrow what would stop the 12,000 applicants waiting for an interview to not cross the picket line??? I'm guessing United wouldn't have a problem filling classes. There are a lot of chest thumpers out there, but when it comes down to it they would scab in a heartbeat to "better themselves." They will just be forgiven eventually anyway... Right????
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