Some UPA/TA Tweaks I was thinking about...
#11
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Joined APC: Jan 2022
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The reserve days off needs to change. It's ridiculous on the line right now. There are people out there not trying to work ending up month after month of 100+ hours of credit and getting rolled into days off on the NB. There are people who are saying they think they made a mistake coming here if this is the new normal. I'm even seeing 110+ hours after the dust settles on reserve! This is all going on while Kirby is saying we're overstaffed? What does understaffed look like?
#12
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: guppy CA
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Feel free to come up with your own math on this one, but imagine a Florida commuter who comes in four times a month: A round-trip ticket would normally be $400 max. So $1600 for the month, ends up being $400 out of pocket with the discount. The pilot would need to gross about $700 to recoup this, so with a systemwide average monthly credit of about 85 hours, you would need a $8/hr raise or so to cover it.
I know when I'm going to commute and buy tickets when I need to. I don't buy tickets home, as I can wait a bit for a flight home; just to get me to work.
#13
Improve the carrot, lose the stick. For the right add pay (1 hour isn’t it) local RSVs would be scrambling to APU these trips. Could be optional like how the company assigns various levels of premium pay based on need. Fact is, they could sell these assignments very easily to reserves the same way they sell them to lineholders.
#14
You obviously don't buy UA discount tickets. If you buy them in advance, they're pretty cheap. Wait until the last minute and they get expensive.
I know when I'm going to commute and buy tickets when I need to. I don't buy tickets home, as I can wait a bit for a flight home; just to get me to work.
I know when I'm going to commute and buy tickets when I need to. I don't buy tickets home, as I can wait a bit for a flight home; just to get me to work.
#15
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Improve the carrot, lose the stick. For the right add pay (1 hour isn’t it) local RSVs would be scrambling to APU these trips. Could be optional like how the company assigns various levels of premium pay based on need. Fact is, they could sell these assignments very easily to reserves the same way they sell them to lineholders.
#16
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Joined APC: Aug 2005
Position: 18%er but I’ll enforce UPA23 to the last period.
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That’s at least 2 too many involuntary conversions to SC and 2 too many to FSB. Make FSB entirely voluntary and add the needed carrots to entice those that like it or want it to grab it. Limit the number of involuntary conversions to SC to no more than preferably 2 and again add whatever needed carrots to entice pickups. Pay out said carrots for any SC/FSB used or unused, voluntary or assigned. I think just the uncertainty of how many times scheduling gets to hand those out is what kills reserve for commuters. Unfilled CA vacancies follow.
#17
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IMO field standby fills a need for people ready to work on short notice. There are people that will cover those short notice flights gladly if it benefits their qol or pay. We are looking at this from a "this is how we have always done it" vs how we could be doing it. We are one of the only big airlines to still have fsb and there has to be a better way. Even local lineholders that live in base could benefit. If you show up for a short notice trip the day prior to your original trip ... premium pay + restored day + princess parking and scheduling can cover that persons trip the next day with a long call with 12+ hrs notice. If you treat us as a way to make the circle peg fit with lube vs beating that poor square bastard senseless we both do well. We aren't thinking outside the box with this TA. We are barely acknowledging the harmful language that "we hope" the company won't take advantage of.
Last edited by Aquaticus; 07-24-2022 at 07:51 PM.
#19
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Position: DAL 330
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Do us all a favor and eliminate that ridiculous 380 pay scale from your pay-rates. We all know why its in there, and it does us no good. Well except for the certain animals that are more equal then other animals, the other animals being line Pilots.
Of course management probably wants this rate in the PWA becasue they know they will never operate a 380 and it probably helps ensure the "proper" folks aspire to the "proper" positions.
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Of course management probably wants this rate in the PWA becasue they know they will never operate a 380 and it probably helps ensure the "proper" folks aspire to the "proper" positions.
Scoop
#20
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Joined APC: Dec 2006
Position: Reclined seat
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Just wanted to throw another idea or two into the mix.
PS commuting: if the cost is to high, make it PS on your backup flight if you can't get on your primary flight. This way it assures a pilot makes it to a trip if they can't get on their primary flight.
Scope: want more weight? 500 lbs max. But make the jumpseat part of the BOW of not only the CRJ550, but also the CRJ-200, ERJ145, CRJ-700, and the E175. Make it to where a mainline pilot cannot be bumped from the JS in a W&B situation as well.
PS commuting: if the cost is to high, make it PS on your backup flight if you can't get on your primary flight. This way it assures a pilot makes it to a trip if they can't get on their primary flight.
Scope: want more weight? 500 lbs max. But make the jumpseat part of the BOW of not only the CRJ550, but also the CRJ-200, ERJ145, CRJ-700, and the E175. Make it to where a mainline pilot cannot be bumped from the JS in a W&B situation as well.
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