Laughing_Jakal

I tried to get current on what's going on at United regarding a TA and I think they voted it down....I went to the United forum to scan that and there was so many posts regarding it, I just didn't have the time to sift thru....Is there anyone on here that can summarize what's been going on over there?

unstabilized

1. TA announced
2. TA receives overwhelmingly negative reception from pilot group. (Pay rates below inflation, scope gives, non-seniority list instructors, reserve rules got worse somehow, plus more.... but free tumi suitcase so we got that going for us, which is nice)
3. AA announces mirror deal plus a couple percent.
4. UAL ALPA pulls the vote to "review" the AA deal.
5. UAL ALPA reinstates the vote
6. UAL ALPA receives a letter from management stating they could re-negotiate as the TA would likely fail
7. UAL ALPA suspends the vote for 3 months while the company and union hammer out a new deal "within the same economic scope" as the previous agreement.
8. Recall wave begins of those in favor for sending the TA to a vote
9. Now ????

ninerdriver

Don't forget...
1a. MEC: "We've got this."
2a. MEC: "Quiet, everyone. We've got this."
5a. MEC: "We've got this."
7a. MEC: "Quiet, everyone. We've got this."
8a. MEC: "SHUT UP EVERYONE"

PilotWombat

Maybe a more factual response would be helpful for those of us on the outside. Has voting finished? If not, when does it? How many LECs do you have, and of those, which have had their rep recall votes already? Which are scheduled? Which are somewhere else in the process?

Aquaticus

Voting was postponed for 3 months from vote close due to an overwhelmingly negative response. I think you are looking at mid October for a vote closure. If this turd is allowed to die we will have another 400 no votes of freshly off probation to add to the pile. We unfortunately have "career politicians" in roles requiring duty ,service, and humility. We are in the process of getting fresh blood into the union. So far only one base has had the opportunity to recall but it was 70+or-% in favor. I don't see any new agreement passing without eye watering enhancements. IMO we shat the bed and are now going to be following the herd or the other big airlines. If anything we told management what is the floor of what won't work. A very low bar to set.

Grumble

This forum needs a like button.

ReadyRsv

This is close:
1. TA announced
2. TA receives overwhelmingly negative reception from pilot group. (Pay rates below inflation, scope gives, non-seniority list instructors, reserve rules got worse somehow, plus more.... but free tumi suitcase so we got that going for us, which is nice)
3. AA announces mirror deal plus a couple percent.
4. UAL ALPA pulls the stops roadshows about vote to "review at a special meeting" the AA deal.
5. UAL ALPA reinstates the vote Decides to not close down vote
6. UAL ALPA receives a letter from management stating they could re-negotiate as the TA would likely fail, after prodding from MEC Chair to CEO
7. UAL ALPA suspends the vote closing date for 3 months while the company and union hammer out a new deal "within the same economic scope the guy writing that letter has no authority on pay anyway it was permission to delay vote" as the previous agreement.
8. Recall wave begins of those in favor Two voting reps recalled, one voted yes for sending the TA to a vote
9. Now ???? (agree ready, fire, aim)

Main takeaway is NOVEMBER 1 the vote closes. UAL has to meet that date.

UALinIAH

6 - This I’ve never heard before. Hamilton prodded? That’s pretty funny and against what other councils have said. Do you have any written proof of this? That is NOT what was stated in the 14 July MEC update. It specifically says the vote was extended at the Company’s request.

As far a 8 goes. It’s a well known fact the Glen voted yes as a political ploy. Every other vote he voted against council wishes. He voted against recalling the NC, Voted to extend the vote for TA which the pilots didn’t want as that took away pressure of a huge no vote, and voted Yes to Insler for National President. He voted for Phil O to head the NC even though there were 8 volunteers and none were even interviewed. So he voted in lockstep with the Toddlers in every over vote. That is why he was voted out of office. Also he was extremely deceitful with an old letter of support that he republished as if it was current during his recall voting.

We have 2 more LECs with recall resolutions coming in the next 3 weeks as well. SFO and DEN.

Gooselives

Only person that should be recalled is on UAL011

just saying

ERAUAV8TR

I agree AW is the worst.

Why are captains FO reps? Makes no sense.