We squandered away our leverage
09-16-2022, 03:45 AM
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We squandered away our leverage
https://www.dailywire.com/news/union...ct_source=pitc
The above article is very anti union. It talks about how the Railroad workers were able to leverage the current political and economic conditions into raises and improved working conditions. GOOD FOR THEM I say. My question is why is my union not using these same advantages to get me raises? We have all of them over a barrel. We can’t get out of our own way….
From the article,”Shapiro added that threats of a rail strike occurring weeks before the 2022 midterm elections was no coincidence. “The amount of damage that was likely to have been done if this railroad strike had happened would have been egregious,” he said. “Which meant that they had Joe Biden over a barrel.”
The above article is very anti union. It talks about how the Railroad workers were able to leverage the current political and economic conditions into raises and improved working conditions. GOOD FOR THEM I say. My question is why is my union not using these same advantages to get me raises? We have all of them over a barrel. We can’t get out of our own way….
From the article,”Shapiro added that threats of a rail strike occurring weeks before the 2022 midterm elections was no coincidence. “The amount of damage that was likely to have been done if this railroad strike had happened would have been egregious,” he said. “Which meant that they had Joe Biden over a barrel.”
09-16-2022, 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted by sleeves
https://www.dailywire.com/news/union...ct_source=pitc
The above article is very anti union. It talks about how the Railroad workers were able to leverage the current political and economic conditions into raises and improved working conditions. GOOD FOR THEM I say. My question is why is my union not using these same advantages to get me raises? We have all of them over a barrel. We can’t get out of our own way….
From the article,”Shapiro added that threats of a rail strike occurring weeks before the 2022 midterm elections was no coincidence. “The amount of damage that was likely to have been done if this railroad strike had happened would have been egregious,” he said. “Which meant that they had Joe Biden over a barrel.”
The above article is very anti union. It talks about how the Railroad workers were able to leverage the current political and economic conditions into raises and improved working conditions. GOOD FOR THEM I say. My question is why is my union not using these same advantages to get me raises? We have all of them over a barrel. We can’t get out of our own way….
From the article,”Shapiro added that threats of a rail strike occurring weeks before the 2022 midterm elections was no coincidence. “The amount of damage that was likely to have been done if this railroad strike had happened would have been egregious,” he said. “Which meant that they had Joe Biden over a barrel.”
I think pilots have a lot of leverage right now against management because we are one of the biggest bottlenecks for their ability to generate shareholder returns. I don’t think the political arena is the best place for pilots to have the battle though.
When people hear “railway workers Union” they envision some blue collar dude swinging a mallet in 90 degree heat who deserves a raise. That’s not going to be the same perception for pilots.
I think if we try to take our case to the public we will look like fools. The company will say they are just trying to keep airfare low and repay the money the taxpayers so generously loaned them.
We have plenty of business leverage, but I’m not so sure we have the same political leverage.
09-16-2022, 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by sleeves
https://www.dailywire.com/news/union...ct_source=pitc
The above article is very anti union. It talks about how the Railroad workers were able to leverage the current political and economic conditions into raises and improved working conditions. GOOD FOR THEM I say. My question is why is my union not using these same advantages to get me raises? We have all of them over a barrel. We can’t get out of our own way….
From the article,”Shapiro added that threats of a rail strike occurring weeks before the 2022 midterm elections was no coincidence. “The amount of damage that was likely to have been done if this railroad strike had happened would have been egregious,” he said. “Which meant that they had Joe Biden over a barrel.”
The above article is very anti union. It talks about how the Railroad workers were able to leverage the current political and economic conditions into raises and improved working conditions. GOOD FOR THEM I say. My question is why is my union not using these same advantages to get me raises? We have all of them over a barrel. We can’t get out of our own way….
From the article,”Shapiro added that threats of a rail strike occurring weeks before the 2022 midterm elections was no coincidence. “The amount of damage that was likely to have been done if this railroad strike had happened would have been egregious,” he said. “Which meant that they had Joe Biden over a barrel.”
09-16-2022, 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by But seriously
I think pilots have a lot of leverage right now against management because we are one of the biggest bottlenecks for their ability to generate shareholder returns. I don’t think the political arena is the best place for pilots to have the battle though.
When people hear “railway workers Union” they envision some blue collar dude swinging a mallet in 90 degree heat who deserves a raise. That’s not going to be the same perception for pilots.
I think if we try to take our case to the public we will look like fools. The company will say they are just trying to keep airfare low and repay the money the taxpayers so generously loaned them.
We have plenty of business leverage, but I’m not so sure we have the same political leverage.
When people hear “railway workers Union” they envision some blue collar dude swinging a mallet in 90 degree heat who deserves a raise. That’s not going to be the same perception for pilots.
I think if we try to take our case to the public we will look like fools. The company will say they are just trying to keep airfare low and repay the money the taxpayers so generously loaned them.
We have plenty of business leverage, but I’m not so sure we have the same political leverage.
09-16-2022, 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by But seriously
I think pilots have a lot of leverage right now against management because we are one of the biggest bottlenecks for their ability to generate shareholder returns. I don’t think the political arena is the best place for pilots to have the battle though.
When people hear “railway workers Union” they envision some blue collar dude swinging a mallet in 90 degree heat who deserves a raise. That’s not going to be the same perception for pilots.
I think if we try to take our case to the public we will look like fools. The company will say they are just trying to keep airfare low and repay the money the taxpayers so generously loaned them.
We have plenty of business leverage, but I’m not so sure we have the same political leverage.
When people hear “railway workers Union” they envision some blue collar dude swinging a mallet in 90 degree heat who deserves a raise. That’s not going to be the same perception for pilots.
I think if we try to take our case to the public we will look like fools. The company will say they are just trying to keep airfare low and repay the money the taxpayers so generously loaned them.
We have plenty of business leverage, but I’m not so sure we have the same political leverage.
09-16-2022, 07:37 AM
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The big United Next expansion is totally dependent on expanding the training department. They can add simulators without our approval, but without the ability to attract and retain instructors and LCA’s, the plan fails. We have an unprecedented amount of deliveries heading this way. Kirby doesn’t want to delay those deliveries because he can’t get the crews trained. Signing the Tumi TA would have solved the training issue and sacrificed our leverage, but we haven’t lost anything at this point. If the company wants the expansion to be a success, they need to sign off on a much better deal. TA1 wasn’t even close and the company knows it. I just hope our MEC has been shaken up enough to realize it too.
09-16-2022, 08:04 AM
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We, as members of UAL ALPA, need to spread the word to elect ANYONE but Todd. If he and his minions refuse to listen to us, continue to pat us on the head telling us that they know best, why would anyone at think he won’t do the same to all of ALPA if he is elected to National?
Originally Posted by Red Swingline
Meanwhile, the United MEC is exclusively worried about saving face so they can get TI elected supreme leader. That’s the only leverage they’re worried about.
09-16-2022, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by tkhayes90
We, as members of UAL ALPA, need to spread the word to elect ANYONE but Todd. If he and his minions refuse to listen to us, continue to pat us on the head telling us that they know best, why would anyone at think he won’t do the same to all of ALPA if he is elected to National?
100% of my attention will and always will be the Contract. An honest question; other than getting a hefty salary, what effect does the ALPA President have on UA pilots ? The BOD sets the priorities for the current and future. My day to day work life isn’t affected by National - it lies squarely at the feet of the LEC/MEC structure and Committees.
09-16-2022, 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Shrek
Just for pure entertainment value I hope TI gets elected. The trigger effect would be epic ! 🍿
100% of my attention will and always will be the Contract. An honest question; other than getting a hefty salary, what effect does the ALPA President have on UA pilots ? The BOD sets the priorities for the current and future. My day to day work life isn’t affected by National - it lies squarely at the feet of the LEC/MEC structure and Committees.
100% of my attention will and always will be the Contract. An honest question; other than getting a hefty salary, what effect does the ALPA President have on UA pilots ? The BOD sets the priorities for the current and future. My day to day work life isn’t affected by National - it lies squarely at the feet of the LEC/MEC structure and Committees.
09-16-2022, 10:20 AM
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Even the French are getting enough balls to strike for pay "in line with inflation"...
French ATC strike
No one else will stand up for you until you stand up for yourself first!
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French ATC strike
No one else will stand up for you until you stand up for yourself first!
~ Me, c. Today
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