Council 5 Toddler Candidate Announced
10-05-2022, 02:47 PM
#41
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Originally Posted by AxlF16
Thanks JP. This could be a very difficult and consequential vote for the other councils. I wonder if, hypothetically, their vote on a TA2 would change the result of an LC recall ballot? IOW could they save their position by voting no?
Roll call from the NC chair vote:
C5
CA 1265
FO 1162
Total 2427
C11
CA 631
FO 604
Total 1235
C172
CA 111
FO 81
Total 192
C12
CA 707
FO 723
Total 1430
C171
CA 788
FO 689
Total 1477
C33
CA 536
FO 423
Total 959
C93
Total 785
C57
CA 451
FO 331
Total 782
C34
CA 855
FO 856
Total 1711
C173
CA 69
FO 39
Total 108
Total CA 5596
Total FO 5510
Total 11106
My chainsaw math puts C5, C12 & C11 at 5092 roll call votes. Although they fall short it puts them within 462 votes of having the roll call.
With active recalls at C57, C34 and hopefully C33 if a Rep or two vote no then they would have the roll call and would be able to reject the TA.
10-06-2022, 03:22 AM
#42
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Originally Posted by AxlF16
How the vote would go is simply uninformed opinion (wag) at this point. im asking if the current MEC has enough votes to send an agreement to us. Im assuming that C11, C12, & C5 vote NO. Would a roll call vote override the other councils? I KNOW somebody here has done the math....please save me some time🙂
10-06-2022, 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Andy
So you're automatically assuming that TA2 will be of such poor quality that C11, C12, and C5 will vote no. If that happens and TA2 does happen to squeak by, how would you expect the membership to vote on it?
10-06-2022, 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Andy
So you're automatically assuming that TA2 will be of such poor quality that C11, C12, and C5 will vote no. If that happens and TA2 does happen to squeak by, how would you expect the membership to vote on it?
My question was answered by others in this thread so this is my last post on your tangent.
10-06-2022, 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by AxlF16
I'm assuming that C11, C12, & C5 will vote no on anything short of a full rewrite. A hypothetical TA2 would likely pass MR if concessionary terms were removed, pay rates significantly increased, and a few wins (sprinkles if you will) added.
My question was answered by others in this thread so this is my last post on your tangent.
My question was answered by others in this thread so this is my last post on your tangent.
Sounds like you've built in a considerable number of previously undisclosed assumptions there.
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10-06-2022, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Andy
So you're automatically assuming that TA2 will be of such poor quality that C11, C12, and C5 will vote no. If that happens and TA2 does happen to squeak by, how would you expect the membership to vote on it?
10-06-2022, 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by JoePatroni
After “the right deal at the right time” and “this is the best we can do” it’s hard to imagine the same group of incompetent fools polishing this turd enough to impress anyone.
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