There were allot of lessons learned post UAL Strike, Post CAL Strike, and post departures of TWA, EAL, and Pan AM. It took some time for those lessons learned to be realized in the re-organization of Continental Airlines. The combining of several airlines under one umbrella by Lorenzo was done after he successfully broke ALPA.

But, after the airline was coalesced together into one single airline, both the scabs and non-scabs, new hire, and express pilots all realized the necessity for a bargaining unit and unity.

There was a push for a union as there was a push for no union. There was a push for ALPA, and a push for something independent.

Those with no baggage and who were essentially clean were the express pilots. They were all too young to be scabs and were tired of being taken advantage of by management. Those pilots worked tirelessly to help bring about the union onto the CAL and CAL EX properties. There were two contracts, but one governing body. However, once ALPA started courting the IACP and after the vote, the CAL and CAL EX MEC's separated into separate representational units.

Fred Abbott wasn't really in the picture yet. He was behind Debbie McCoy, and it was really Debbie's heavy handed discipline and over-zealous hard-ass approach that helped the pilots realize the need for a union. As a matter of fact, the union refused to ratify the contract with Debbie McCoy at the helm. I think that was second contract, not the first.

The IACP wasn't perfect, but it was all we had. I think ALPA failed to ratify at that time because people saw ALPA as not being in touch with their particular membership's needs and lots of hard feelings over the strike, in particular how the vote was conducted.

The way it was explained to me in the early 90's was that we couldn't prevent the scabs from voting. They had a right to vote for the union and had a right to be a member of it. They were a part of the class and craft and since it was a new union not affiliated with any other or previous union the new union could not preclude membership nor issue any discipline or withhold a right to membership.

All correct.

Looks like new uniforms are coming for all employees, according to Flying Together today. ������

Wow brooks Brothers! Very nice. Looking forward to it.

We better get new brass too. I'd hate to stick my plastic wings to a nice new uniform.

Looks like JAN 1 2020 for day 1. Might have a new brand and logo by then.........

2020? They will be outdated before they go live.

I'm more excited about being able to walk into Brooks Brothers a mile from my house and being able to buy a pair of pants that fit. Right now it's a freaking gamble what the hell shows up in the mail......and it shows.

I have 4 pair of M&H pants, all with the same requested inseam measurement. One fits long, one fits just right, the other 2 are high waters, which in conjunction with the parachute pant look, makes them look like clown pants.

I bought my pants at Men's Wearhouse...perfect fit and I can't notice any mismatch of color.

2020, just as the metro-sexual fad goes out of style