United pax forcibly removed from flight - Page 56

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JamesNoBrakes , 04-12-2017 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano

I don't work for United. I would insert "refused to comply with lawful orders to vacate private property and gave the police resistance" between points 3 and 4 above. That bit's important.

Other than that you're spot on.

How was that order lawful? Sounds like United was violating their passenger contract by doing so and the passenger had every right to be there. At least, that's what the documentation and laws show so far.

#552

C130driver , 04-12-2017 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Hetman

Has anyone blamed Trump, Obama, Clinton or Bush yet?

Yes, quite a few idiots on Facebook and celebrities blaming Trump.

#553

IDIOTPILOT , 04-12-2017 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by highfarfast

Still so many people posting that the airline had the right to do it and missing the point of whether it was right to do it.

There is a difference.

Totally agree with you here.

Although, United just said now the flight wasn't "oversold". This could mean the contract of carriage language regarding refusal to transport doesn't apply.

I agree he should've gotten off when he was asked to. Even if the request was in violation of the contract of carriage, following instructions was the way to go. He could've sued or sought damages later.

#554

pokey9554 , 04-12-2017 07:28 PM

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Is it possible that the Republic crew wasn't listed for the deadhead which allowed the flight to be sold to capacity?

Is it possible FAR 250.5 caps the compensation at 400% of the fare?

Food for thought for those who've swung their gavel.

#555

Grumble , 04-12-2017 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

You have zero right to be on an airplane, if asked/told to leave you MUST comply by federal law.

#556

BeatNavy , 04-12-2017 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by pokey9554

The FARs capt the max amount airlines are required to comp. There is no max on how much airlines can choose to comp.

#557

pokey9554 , 04-12-2017 07:49 PM

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FAR 250.5(3)

(3) Compensation shall be 400% of the fare to the passenger's destination or first stopover, with a maximum of $1,350, if the carrier does not offer alternate transportation that, at the time the arrangement is made, is planned to arrive at the airport of the passenger's first stopover, or if none, the airport of the passenger's final destination less than two hours after the planned arrival time of the passenger's original flight.

FAR 1.3 (b)(1)

(1) Shall is used in an imperative sense;

#558

BeatNavy , 04-12-2017 07:51 PM

Covfefe

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Originally Posted by DALFA

Do you just wake up in the morning and type things you dreamed about?

At the Chicago airports you don't have the Chicago Police Department. They are Chicago Department of Aviation POLICE OFFICERS. They're not security guards and they certainly are not United employees.

The thing is that the public today is entitled. That's the reason this happened.

Let's look at the facts:

1. It wasn't a United airplane, it was a Republic airplane.
2. The passenger was asked at least a dozen times to deplane by the crew, agents, and then the police officers.
3. Regardless of is you bought a ticket or not, that airplane is still private property. It's not your seat and it sure isn't your airplane.

The man had every right to complain with United, the airport, the DOT or whoever else he wanted to at the ticket counter. When you refuse to deplane when asked you are in violation of the LAW. When a police officer asks you multiple times to deplane you are in violation of the LAW. The man was injured because he resisted when those officers went to grab him in order to remove him. They didn't shove his face in the armrest, they went to pull him and when because he resisted he smacked his face into the armrest.

Could have the situation been handled better by the staff and the officers? Sure. There's a million different ways this could have been handled.

Is United at fault for this person having his face smashed into the armrest? Absolutely not.

Most people don't like the facts because they like drama and they like to play the victim role. Big bag United versus poor Asian doctor. Yeah ok...

https://chicago.taleo.net/careersect....ftl?job=99860

Don't have time to respond to this whole post but here is the Chicago airport cop job...aviation security officer.

#559

Andy , 04-12-2017 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by b52dthdlr

arguing that we did nothing wrong is pointless. arguing that it was a chicago aviation policeman not ual personnel is equally pointless. just because we had the right to remove this passenger doesn't mean it was the right thing to do. if the semi empty sfo terminal and 3/4 full 777 that I flew today are any indication we are going to be sucking wind for a very long time. all this sanctimonious self-righteousness doesn't mean squat to the traveling public. can't wait to see our 2nd quarter results. 1/2 billion ****ed off Chinese on weibo and counting. their new thing is to take a pic of their shredded ual credit card and tweet it.

Great SFO pirep. RWY 19 in use for most of the day; heavy delays. The airport's still backed up.

My flights have been full. The UAL hubs I've passed through have been packed. Nothing's changed.

#560

JamesNoBrakes , 04-12-2017 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Grumble

You have zero right to be on an airplane.

Well, if that were true, how is it possible that he was on the airplane? Did he run across the tarmac and climb up the air chef ladder?