Headsets... Hot mic?
04-17-2017 | 07:44 PM
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Yeah, and let him light up a cigarette or two in the cockpit again. Like we used to back when men were men! Just sit back and inhale his smoke "newish guy".
Your comment is terrible. The guy wants to save his hearing and you're trying to internet bully him.
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Your comment is terrible. The guy wants to save his hearing and you're trying to internet bully him.
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04-17-2017 | 07:57 PM
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On ear headsets will never work as well as over the ear headsets, and the Telex 850 came out in the early 2000s.
If you think that ANR technology hasn't improved incredibly (in terms of both performance and comfort) in the past 15 years, you haven't been paying attention.
If you want light and uber-comfort, go with the new David Clarks. If you want superior performance with some concessions in comfort (only noticeable with glasses/after several hours), go with the Bose.
IMHO.
If you think that ANR technology hasn't improved incredibly (in terms of both performance and comfort) in the past 15 years, you haven't been paying attention.
If you want light and uber-comfort, go with the new David Clarks. If you want superior performance with some concessions in comfort (only noticeable with glasses/after several hours), go with the Bose.
IMHO.
04-18-2017 | 05:21 AM
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Bose are comfortable for a 6 hour transcon. Not sure what you're talking about. Plus, a refurb Bose QC25 <$200 and a UFlyMike at $200 are combined less than $400.
Separately, I'm always amused by a captain who could spend less than 1/10th of a $5000 4-day and be set up completely. That would provide comfort and greatly reduce fatigue for the rest of their days. Instead they rationalize why they're too cheap to protect their hearing. Last guy I flew with said he saw an audiologist every year and he isn't concerned about hearing loss. OK Einstein.
Separately, I'm always amused by a captain who could spend less than 1/10th of a $5000 4-day and be set up completely. That would provide comfort and greatly reduce fatigue for the rest of their days. Instead they rationalize why they're too cheap to protect their hearing. Last guy I flew with said he saw an audiologist every year and he isn't concerned about hearing loss. OK Einstein.
04-19-2017 | 06:51 AM
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737 pilots need to wake up to the Telex 850. You all spend $1200 on the Bose headgear and then only wear them for takeoff and landing because they're too heavy, defeating the whole purpose.
Telex 850 has ANC powered through the jack and is featherweight. I wear it all day and forget I have it on.
Telex 850 has ANC powered through the jack and is featherweight. I wear it all day and forget I have it on.
04-19-2017 | 07:09 AM
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I had the 850's, they were ok but not great. Plus still had to pull one side off to hear the other guy.
So now I use the flexible earpiece and earplug in other ear. Speaker and earplugs both sides in cruise. Seems to work okay. I can do rubber band if other guy wants to.
So now I use the flexible earpiece and earplug in other ear. Speaker and earplugs both sides in cruise. Seems to work okay. I can do rubber band if other guy wants to.
04-20-2017 | 10:27 AM
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No its not and I dare you to find anyone who still smokes in the cockpit. Guy who's been here 20+ years and is in the left seat is the one who you should attempt to work around. I chose not to use a hair smashing, head denting, uncomfortable Mickey Mouse head piece and I'm to adjust to him? Not in this lifetime.
You've got guys above telling him to file an FSAP, where was your rage then? Really simple solution. Take your left earpiece off of your ear and if you still can't hear him ask him if he could quit mumbling and speak louder.
I'll say it again, F'ing snowflakes !!
You've got guys above telling him to file an FSAP, where was your rage then? Really simple solution. Take your left earpiece off of your ear and if you still can't hear him ask him if he could quit mumbling and speak louder.
I'll say it again, F'ing snowflakes !!
My sincerest apologies... I'm just getting back to reading the replies from my original post and I'm truly sorry if I inadvertently struck a nerve somehow. You are absolutely right, as the junior guy I definitely agree I should adapt to the CA (within the bounds of safety and SOPs of course). If my post offended either of you (or captains in general) that certainly wasn't my intent. I pride myself on being a proficient and respectful crew member at all times... and I'm embarrassed if my post somehow conveyed hints of disrespect or a sense of entitlement.
In my defense, I'm coming from a 20 year flying background where headsets/helmets were ALWAYS required, and hot mic was SOP in the terminal phases of flight.
The use of headsets here at our airline obviously has more room for techniques that are rightly dependent upon the CA's preference, so I'll work to adapt quicker.
Cheers, and again, sorry.
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04-20-2017 | 11:13 AM
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In my defense, I'm coming from a 20 year flying background where headsets/helmets were ALWAYS required, and hot mic was SOP in the terminal phases of flight.
The use of headsets here at our airline obviously has more room for techniques that are rightly dependent upon the CA's preference, so I'll work to adapt quicker.
The use of headsets here at our airline obviously has more room for techniques that are rightly dependent upon the CA's preference, so I'll work to adapt quicker.
It's getting to the point now where neither pilot can hear the other. The one with the NR headset can't hear the one without NR (obviously) and NR pilots talks like they're on hot mic when they're not, so the non-NR pilot can't hear the NR pilot either. Solution is for everyone to have one. If the company can't be convinced to do the right thing because of hearing loss maybe they can be convinced due to safety. CRM is still a safety issue I believe. In fact I recently read somewhere....
The fundamental purpose of CRM/TEM is to focus on the effective utilization of available resources as a countermeasure to operational threats and human errors. CRM and TEM are independent yet, interdependent. CRM emphasizes how crews communicate and manage resources. TEM emphasizes what crewmembers manage and communicate about: operational threats and human errors. For CRM/TEM to be effective, crewmembers must be proficient in both CRM and TEM skills.
If we can't hear each other we cannot do this. At least without the extra step of "huh?"
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