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Old 05-05-2017, 07:51 PM
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Everybody calm down. Kirby has to un-**** everything the previous management team either got wrong or didn't know how to fix post-merger. Yeah, the 747 going away early caught everyone by surprise but the revised fleet plan will be out before summer ends and hiring will start up again.
Meanwhile back at the farm in Atlanta. Delta continues to clean our clock while we slowly retool. Cancelling those extremely cheap 737-700's was a gigantic blunder that we probably won't recover from. Look for a very weak search for used aircraft followed by an ah shucks guys, no cheap airframes out there so we need scope relief.

Kirbys game plan in a nutshell.
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We're bumping this month, next month, and the month after that. And we don't have any new hire classes scheduled for the rest of the year yet. I hope you're right but there is absolutely nothing that signals growth. There are signals for backwards movement or stagnation.
So I'll ask you this...if you think it's going to be a good year for growth where in the world do you see us growing? The moves they're making now are for the summer of 2018 staffing levels.

"Winter, Spring, Summer or Fall"
"All ya got to do is call"

Seriously though . . . as has already been pointed out in numerous locations, the staffing adjustments are necessary because the company was all jeffed up fleet wise. Simply using the assets we have more efficiently is a slam dunk improvement for the company.

Take for example the Guam fleet. It turns out we had 2 737s sitting for hours doing nothing everyday. By returning the planes to domestic use, it was the equivalent of getting a whole other plane's worth of productivity at no capital cost. Alone that may not seem like much,, but taken as a whole with all the other fleet optimization moves it adds up.

Optimization takes time. The company must bump first to see where the excess pilots desire to go before they can hope to predict their BES openings.


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Meanwhile back at the farm in Atlanta. Delta continues to clean our clock while we slowly retool. Cancelling those extremely cheap 737-700's was a gigantic blunder that we probably won't recover from. Look for a very weak search for used aircraft followed by an ah shucks guys, no cheap airframes out there so we need scope relief.

Kirbys game plan in a nutshell.

In all my years studying the financials of the airline industry I have never seen a management team with such a clear and conservative plan. If you go to United.com and download the investor presentations of the last year you will find a precise set of metrics with which you can judge the progress of this management team. In addition they admit to being behind DAL, but they are assiduously working to chip away at that lead, and so far, they are meeting all their targets:

Scott Kirby, president of United Airlines, said, "United is delivering on the commitments we made at investor day last fall. We saw positive trends in the revenue environment in the quarter and are optimistic about the year ahead. Looking forward, we expect second-quarter consolidated PRASM to be up 1.0 to 3.0 percent. This would mark the fifth straight quarter of sequential improvement and the first quarter of positive unit revenue growth in two years."
Preliminary Operational Results: Revenue Passenger Miles (Q1 2017 vs 2016)


Mainline 8,408,616 ------------ 7,749,995 ----- 8.5%
Lastly, as has been pointed out in industry publications prices for planes are falling and there is considerable discussion of how to replace the 757/767 model. Deals we made when prices were high may not be the best option today and a decision to go with Boeing's newly proposed MoM plane would require years of waiting and uncertainty. The risks associated with those uncertainties need to be carefully weighted against other more certain options.

I will bet you a bushel of apples that by fall of this year we see 2 major events: 1) a fleet plan that includes 1-2% growth in airframes for 2018 2) one or two large bids with training in September thru December timeframe.

In any case, we'll know in a few months whether I'm a PollyAnna and/or Kirby is actually wearing a birthday suit
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We are growing at 3% for the year, compared to Delta who is only growing at 1%. Now a lot of that is from higher density seats, but mainline block hours are up YoY and block hours drive manpower requirements.
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We are growing at 3% for the year, compared to Delta who is only growing at 1%. Now a lot of that is from higher density seats, but mainline block hours are up YoY and block hours drive manpower requirements.
I'm looking at the block hours for mainline for May 2016 and May 2017 in the SSC reports right now. The block hours for mainline were higher in May of 2016. It will be lower for June 2017 too as we're not flying to AKL this summer and have discontinued some of the seasonal Europe flying that we did last year.
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I will bet you a bushel of apples that by fall of this year we see 2 major events: 1) a fleet plan that includes 1-2% growth in airframes for 2018 2) one or two large bids with training in September thru December timeframe.

In any case, we'll know in a few months whether I'm a PollyAnna and/or Kirby is actually wearing a birthday suit

Going back over some of your post in the past and you have been off more than you've been on with your predictions. As to the highlighted above....you're right except for those "two large bids" will be displacement bids. If you think the current displacement bid is large you haven't seen nothing yet. The next two will be much larger in size and will include BES's other than SFO -400 and IAH 787.

The optimization if done correctly is good business. But you optimism as it relates to upward movement and pilot numbers is based on a fairy tale.
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Old 05-06-2017, 08:21 AM
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We would all hope that UAL would optimize the use of its airplane assets, but the reality is it can't happen, especially when there is more than one type involved.

The routing of airplanes is not as easy as you all might think, it all depends on the goals of marketing and operations (two different things BTW). Marketing wants to have the right "gauge" (sized) airplane in a market so that it can charge as much as possible for the ticket, while operations matches crews, maintenance, and many other sundry issues as it routes airplanes.

The bottom line is the newest management is back to the old "capacity constraint" methods and there will be no real growth in airframes at mainline UAL until after 2018. The main reason for considering "used" airplanes is the pipeline is shorter, but their life is also. You might also notice how long it has taken to get those "Chinese" Airbuses into service. When would an Emirates -300 be put into service if UAL was to take delivery this month?

If UAL were to place an order for a "new" airplane in current production today it will take approximately one year to actually take delivery of that airplane.

So how should you all bid/bump? The seat, commute, reserve, line holder, or whatever you are willing to live with for the next few years. My personal opinion is if you can hold that Captain bid, but like that international F/O schedule, it might be a consideration how long it will take to get that bid in the future should you bypass it today.
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Might I suggest everyone remember that besides the -400 fleet retirement (for which we have 773 deliveries) ALL of these displacements are matched with equivalent seats opening in other bases. I'd be worried if the 787 IAH was going away and the aircraft were being parked. Moving these aircraft to the Washington, DCA area seems like a good business model.
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Might I suggest everyone remember that besides the -400 fleet retirement (for which we have 773 deliveries) ALL of these displacements are matched with equivalent seats opening in other bases. I'd be worried if the 787 IAH was going away and the aircraft were being parked. Moving these aircraft to the Washington, DCA area seems like a good business model.


Equivalent seats? Prove it. Many of those seats have already been filled prior to the displacement? I think your view might change when you see the next two displacements and see where they displace to.
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Originally Posted by 89Pistons View Post
Going back over some of your post in the past and you have been off more than you've been on with your predictions. As to the highlighted above....you're right except for those "two large bids" will be displacement bids. If you think the current displacement bid is large you haven't seen nothing yet. The next two will be much larger in size and will include BES's other than SFO -400 and IAH 787.

The optimization if done correctly is good business. But you optimism as it relates to upward movement and pilot numbers is based on a fairy tale.
Hmmm, I'm curious as to whether you are right . . .

Prediction 1 -
This is what happens when you're stuck in bed with a torn ligament . . .


Based on CALs outrageous proposal I want to change my own SWAG.


So any CAL pilots like to gamble? I'll lay 2:1 odds that based on 7563 UAL pilots and 4589 CAL pilots making a list of 12154 . . . .

I will be between 6200 and 7100. This puts me next to a 02/05/1996 hire and I am a 04/01/1996.


WB-CAP UAL(1557)/CAL(741) list numbers 0 to 2298
NB-CAP UAL(997)/CAL(1220) list numbers 2299 to 4515
WB-FO UAL(2384)/CAL(1250) list numbers 4516 to 8149
NB-FO UAL(2625)/CAL(1378) list numbers 8150 to 12154

if it gets sorted DOH I'm 6281 and if it gets sorted relative seniority I get 7087
My number in the SLI was 6551.

Prediction 1- check


I also predicted ...

Prediction 2 -

The only guys that get "screwed" are the CAL guys hired after the fall of 2006 starting around number 3950 who are merged with the UAL furloughees, and before you say ALPA policy doesn't allow this it only says you can't leap frog someone on your own companies list so in this case UAL furloughees do not leap frog any UAL pilots, and the fact remains for CAL post '06 hires, their W2 stays the same, they don't get bumped, and have essentially the same career expectations as before, but the furloughees get some tiny credit for longevity and working for a predominantly WB company pre-merger.


2006 CAL guys ended next to '99 UAL FRL.


Prediction 2 - check



Prediction 3 -
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ALPA is forecasting 12-13% of W2 last I read. Company results said 698 million accrued in total employee profit sharing for 2015 which is about 3 times the amount of last year.

Actual was 13% for 2015

Prediction 3 - check


Prediction 4 -

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I'm by no means an expert in this area, and I really did use the back of an envelope with lots of rounding, and I'm not convinced I wrapped my head around all the parts correctly, but yes my SWAG is 16% of your 2016 . . .

Course, I could be way off and it wouldn't be the first time I missed something simple, but I've got my fingers crossed. Either way we should know soon enough!!

I was wrong here. That's one for you.

Prediction 4 - wrong



Prediction 5 -

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. . .
I bet that

1) You will get pay rates within 1% of 16.5/3/3
2) You will have concessions in one or more of the following: sick leave: LCA line hold backs: PITX calculations: vacation
. . .
16.5/3/3 = 23% 3 yr raise
17.5/4/4 = 27% 3 yr raise


DAL contract for the first 3 years - 18/3/3 = 25% 3 yr raise

DAL also accepted changes to on sick call letters and LCA holdback.

Looks like I wasn't too far off.

Prediction 5 - check



Prediction 6 - (This from the "other" forum from January 2015)

Originally Posted by Joe Peck
Petrobras . . .


I'm buying today and if it goes down to say $3 a share I might even buy some more . . . we'll see . . .
I sold last fall at $12






So far 83% . . . I dunno . . . not tooooo bad . . .
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Sunvox, didn't you claim on this site and the Forum last year that we were buying JetBlue?
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