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Originally Posted by Black Coffee
(Post 2378160)
Denver has been one of our most successful cities in the history of Southwest Airlines, if not the most according to Gary Kelly. I think we hit 217 flights a day this month, and we have 820 pilots based in Denver. We add about 20 pilots a month on the vacancy awards. We are adding more gates on the east side of the C concourse and we would grow more if they could hire ground ops faster. We just passed over 1000 rampers and I think they need to hire 350 more. Denver is now a maintenance base for us and I wouldn't be surprised if Southwest doesn't buy or build a hanger. Denver flight ops says the base will be a mega station. Probably over 1000 pilots some time next year. We are flying full in and out of Denver constantly, AM's or PM's it doesn't matter.
Sounds like someone looked at SWA in DEN and said " gee, we can do that too". History has proven otherwise. Certainly an old United 757 can't do what a SWA 737 will produce in RASM's. We will have to learn it the hard way, just like the old days. |
Originally Posted by BMEP100
(Post 2378395)
Unfortunately, as much as United might like to follow Southwest's success, they cannot adapt their business model. That is why Denver hub has been a consistent looser for both UA and CO.
That wasn't exactly Continental's best times financially. As far as United's performance in Denver, I find it hard to believe they'd keep the base open if it was a perpetual money loser. Someone posted the other day that the renegotiated lease prices for Denver has made the base a lot more profitable. I don't know how much that helped but I doubt we'd be returning the 756 to Denver if it were a money losing base. |
Originally Posted by BMEP100
(Post 2378395)
Unfortunately, as much as United might like to follow Southwest's success, they cannot adapt their business model. That is why Denver hub has been a consistent looser for both UA and CO.
Sounds like someone looked at SWA in DEN and said " gee, we can do that too". History has proven otherwise. Certainly an old United 757 can't do what a SWA 737 will produce in RASM's. We will have to learn it the hard way, just like the old days. Scott Kirby. Feb 27, 2017. "As an example, DEN is our most profitable hub today, and that’s largely because it's also our highest percentage domestic connecting hub, which has allowed us to continue to grow there over the past few years." https://flyingtogether.ual.com/web/c...GrowthPlan.jsp |
Originally Posted by Andy
(Post 2378410)
I don't know how much that helped but I doubt we'd be returning the 756 to Denver if it were a money losing base.
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Originally Posted by John Carr
(Post 2378439)
For years it was UAL's business model. Loses money? DO IT!!!!
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Originally Posted by jsled
(Post 2378429)
Scott Kirby. Feb 27, 2017.
"As an example, DEN is our most profitable hub today, and that’s largely because it's also our highest percentage domestic connecting hub, which has allowed us to continue to grow there over the past few years." https://flyingtogether.ual.com/web/c...GrowthPlan.jsp For years I've listened to airline execs whine abut the inefficiency of the hub and spoke system, while coveting the SWA model. Yet here we are, expanding a hub based on "connecting traffic", where the SWA model has thrived. Good thing I get paid to fly these things and not decide where they fly- despite 40 years watching the business cycles and failed bright ideas. |
Originally Posted by Black Coffee
(Post 2378160)
Denver has been one of our most successful cities in the history of Southwest Airlines, if not the most according to Gary Kelly. I think we hit 217 flights a day this month, and we have 820 pilots based in Denver. We add about 20 pilots a month on the vacancy awards. We are adding more gates on the east side of the C concourse and we would grow more if they could hire ground ops faster. We just passed over 1000 rampers and I think they need to hire 350 more. Denver is now a maintenance base for us and I wouldn't be surprised if Southwest doesn't buy or build a hanger. Denver flight ops says the base will be a mega station. Probably over 1000 pilots some time next year. We are flying full in and out of Denver constantly, AM's or PM's it doesn't matter.
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Just saw this little gem....Beginning December 20, service between Denver and Kona (KOA), Lihue (LIH) and Maui (OGG) will increase from seasonal to daily year-round service. The airline will continue its year-round daily service from Denver to Honolulu.
This is Huuuge!! https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/102806660/ |
Originally Posted by jsled
(Post 2378683)
Just saw this little gem....Beginning December 20, service between Denver and Kona (KOA), Lihue (LIH) and Maui (OGG) will increase from seasonal to daily year-round service. The airline will continue its year-round daily service from Denver to Honolulu.
This is Huuuge!! https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usato...ory/102806660/ |
Originally Posted by bigfatdaddy
(Post 2378686)
No soup for you sled........gupppy can't reach.
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