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bigfatdaddy 06-13-2017 07:47 AM

But you can still hang out in your Borat bathing suit in your backyard kiddie pool while banging out 12-15 shortfalls a month.

Black Coffee 06-13-2017 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by BMEP100 (Post 2378477)
"Highest percentage connecting?hub. That is the antithesis of the SWA business model, so likely our results will vary.

For years I've listened to airline execs whine abut the inefficiency of the hub and spoke system, while coveting the SWA model.
Yet here we are, expanding a hub based on "connecting traffic", where the SWA model has thrived.

Not anymore. Over the last 7 years our COO at Southwest has been moving into a more hub and spoke style system. He likes the "synergies". Our terminals and gates are either mostly full or mostly empty at our big stations. The point to point short haul system is a much smaller part of our operation.

jsled 06-13-2017 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by bigfatdaddy (Post 2378694)
But you can still hang out in your Borat bathing suit in your backyard kiddie pool while banging out 12-15 shortfalls a month.

Well...Yeah. That's SOP.

Andy 06-13-2017 09:08 AM


Originally Posted by bigfatdaddy (Post 2378694)
But you can still hang out in your Borat bathing suit in your backyard kiddie pool while banging out 12-15 shortfalls a month.

Ooof! There's not enough brain bleach (alcohol, drugs, lobotomy) to wash that picture out of my mind.

betterthanworkn 06-13-2017 09:17 AM


Originally Posted by C130driver (Post 2378489)
That's good news since I'd love to live in Denver! My buddy lives there and just left SW for United. He said he will be commuting for 3 years until he can sit reserve as a 737 or 320 FO.. I wonder what kind of seniority would buy you 757 CA in Denver...



Big bid a few back got a 320 FO with 14 months on property into DEN. Not long to wait.


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BeeWatcher 06-13-2017 10:17 AM


Originally Posted by Black Coffee (Post 2378160)
Denver has been one of our most successful cities in the history of Southwest Airlines, if not the most according to Gary Kelly. I think we hit 217 flights a day this month, and we have 820 pilots based in Denver. We add about 20 pilots a month on the vacancy awards. We are adding more gates on the east side of the C concourse and we would grow more if they could hire ground ops faster. We just passed over 1000 rampers and I think they need to hire 350 more. Denver is now a maintenance base for us and I wouldn't be surprised if Southwest doesn't buy or build a hanger. Denver flight ops says the base will be a mega station. Probably over 1000 pilots some time next year. We are flying full in and out of Denver constantly, AM's or PM's it doesn't matter.

I thought you would grow more quickly if you could only get more second and third year FO's to be willing to upgrade to Captain...oh wait wrong airline...

Gimbals 06-14-2017 07:31 AM


Originally Posted by BMEP100 (Post 2378477)
"Highest percentage connecting?hub. That is the antithesis of the SWA business model, so likely our results will vary.

For years I've listened to airline execs whine abut the inefficiency of the hub and spoke system, while coveting the SWA model.
Yet here we are, expanding a hub based on "connecting traffic", where the SWA model has thrived.

Good thing I get paid to fly these things and not decide where they fly- despite 40 years watching the business cycles and failed bright ideas.

Yup, probably good thing you just fly (like me). Your prescient commentary filled with certitude sounds about a decade behind the times and I'm guessing you aren't privy to anything like current realtime data that the head shed uses to make decisions.

Which is not to say that group hasn't miscalculated before (like a lot...).
It just gets a little old hearing the wizened old hands cherry picking a few public statistics, reminiscing about past failure and then expounding as if they possess expertise they likely don't possess....speculation I can bear, omniscience not so much...
I hope the DEN hub flourishes and management is right about its future, but I never count on anything in this fickle business...

jsled 06-14-2017 05:39 PM


Originally Posted by Gimbals (Post 2379248)
Yup, probably good thing you just fly (like me). Your prescient commentary filled with certitude sounds about a decade behind the times and I'm guessing you aren't privy to anything like current realtime data that the head shed uses to make decisions.

Which is not to say that group hasn't miscalculated before (like a lot...).
It just gets a little old hearing the wizened old hands cherry picking a few public statistics, reminiscing about past failure and then expounding as if they possess expertise they likely don't possess....speculation I can bear, omniscience not so much...
I hope the DEN hub flourishes and management is right about its future, but I never count on anything in this fickle business...

Excellent, thoughtful first post. But, if you think BMEP is full of sheet, just say so. :D

baseball 06-14-2017 06:33 PM


Originally Posted by Gimbals (Post 2379248)
Yup, probably good thing you just fly (like me). Your prescient commentary filled with certitude sounds about a decade behind the times and I'm guessing you aren't privy to anything like current realtime data that the head shed uses to make decisions.

Which is not to say that group hasn't miscalculated before (like a lot...).
It just gets a little old hearing the wizened old hands cherry picking a few public statistics, reminiscing about past failure and then expounding as if they possess expertise they likely don't possess....speculation I can bear, omniscience not so much...
I hope the DEN hub flourishes and management is right about its future, but I never count on anything in this fickle business...

Quite the command of the Kings English.

tomgoodman 06-14-2017 07:11 PM


Originally Posted by baseball (Post 2379670)
Quite the command of the Kings English.

Indeed, we may have a future prize-winner here! ;)

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