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vroll1800 06-18-2017 09:41 AM


Originally Posted by EMBskillz (Post 2381103)
Probably the most overused airline axiom I have ever heard. The people who say this are, without exception, the biggest douche nozzles I have had the displeasure flying with. Oh that and "I fly pretty standard."

Out

Hey, I resemble that remark ! (At least the favorite Captain part.) :cool:

Probe 06-18-2017 07:06 PM


Originally Posted by APC225 (Post 2381229)
Yup. Reserves are pilots "in reserve" (!), ready to be used if needed, when needed. When they start pushing up reserve productivity there's a point where they're not reserves anymore, just lineholders scheduled week to week vs monthly.

This happened infamously at CAL in 2003 as they were cutting to the bone to stay out of another BK. A bright idea was one more round of furloughs and the reserves would just fly a lot more. Along came the Iraq war and we didn't have enough pilots for the very lucrative CRAF requests and we lost out on a money maker. Person who came up with the idea was fired.

I don't know the exact target that they plan to use reserves, but they do have a target. It is higher than you might think. There is always flying that doesn't get assigned by PBS, and pilots call in sick at a predictable rate. JR and SR manning are for when the "sheet hits the fan."

Probably the reason we stopped hiring this year, is that we had so many bodies in the wrong places, being underutilized. Forcing those bodies out through displacements will eventually have the same effect as hiring new pilots.

Or maybe they will screw it up even worse. MP is a moving target. I don't think I would want their job.

fanaticalflyer 06-18-2017 08:33 PM


Originally Posted by Probe (Post 2381482)
I don't know the exact target that they plan to use reserves, but they do have a target. It is higher than you might think. There is always flying that doesn't get assigned by PBS, and pilots call in sick at a predictable rate. JR and SR manning are for when the "sheet hits the fan."

Probably the reason we stopped hiring this year, is that we had so many bodies in the wrong places, being underutilized. Forcing those bodies out through displacements will eventually have the same effect as hiring new pilots.

Or maybe they will screw it up even worse. MP is a moving target. I don't think I would want their job.

Though i agree with your sentiment; the reason they pushed new hires starts to NOV was that the training dept is swamped. That is not an exaggeration. They need to get thru this summer firehose and they'll be able to handle the rest of the strong demand during the fall/winter. I think proper manning is when they are a bit tight during the summer and holidays. If they have to do some SRM during that time, then our staffing is fine. When they have to JRM, then you have an issue, but that has mostly gone goodbye. By the end of the summer, SRM will be basically done for the long haul. look at the trends of SRM from last year to now, and you'll see there is barely any of it left. We are finally getting staffed the right way. L-UAL, which i am, always wanted too many pilots which was ridiculous. Keep the manning tight, and it limits the number of furloughs IF WE EVER NEED THEM. Go too fat on pilots, and it's easier to cut a lot more, since the cost isn't much more. Too many L-UAL guys want more pilots and want work rules that allow more pilots on the lot. That's old school and they need to move on and realize we are not being competitive. Keep manning tight, and if we have to do some senior manning for 4 months, then we save money not being overmanned the other 8 months. And realistically, if you look at SRM numbers, it is prevalent anymore. So it's really minimum 3 months of limited SRM to offset 9 months of good staffing.

syd111 06-19-2017 05:41 AM


Originally Posted by fanaticalflyer (Post 2381507)
Though i agree with your sentiment; the reason they pushed new hires starts to NOV was that the training dept is swamped. That is not an exaggeration. They need to get thru this summer firehose and they'll be able to handle the rest of the strong demand during the fall/winter. I think proper manning is when they are a bit tight during the summer and holidays. If they have to do some SRM during that time, then our staffing is fine. When they have to JRM, then you have an issue, but that has mostly gone goodbye. By the end of the summer, SRM will be basically done for the long haul. look at the trends of SRM from last year to now, and you'll see there is barely any of it left. We are finally getting staffed the right way. L-UAL, which i am, always wanted too many pilots which was ridiculous. Keep the manning tight, and it limits the number of furloughs IF WE EVER NEED THEM. Go too fat on pilots, and it's easier to cut a lot more, since the cost isn't much more. Too many L-UAL guys want more pilots and want work rules that allow more pilots on the lot. That's old school and they need to move on and realize we are not being competitive. Keep manning tight, and if we have to do some senior manning for 4 months, then we save money not being overmanned the other 8 months. And realistically, if you look at SRM numbers, it is prevalent anymore. So it's really minimum 3 months of limited SRM to offset 9 months of good staffing.

Agree, like some other companies have been doing for a long time.

rp2pilot 06-19-2017 07:55 AM


Originally Posted by EMBskillz (Post 2381103)
Probably the most overused airline axiom I have ever heard. The people who say this are, without exception, the biggest douche nozzles I have had the displeasure flying with. Oh that and "I fly pretty standard."

Out

If you can't take a joke, then you better find another profession, or at least hide your sour demeanor well in airline interviews. ;)

Master of FiFi 06-19-2017 09:17 AM


Originally Posted by rp2pilot (Post 2381671)
If you can't take a joke, then you better find another profession, or at least hide your sour demeanor well in airline interviews. ;)

I agree with EMBskillz observation. It's one of those things that those people say as a joke, but at the same time not really a joke. The people that use that phrase a lot tend to be more self absorbed than the average pilot, while at the same time less skilled and more afraid of the airplane.

MasterOfPuppets 06-19-2017 09:54 AM


Originally Posted by JoePatroni (Post 2381145)
Usually accompanied by white New Balance shoes (Velcro optional) and the world's biggest cell phone holster.

Seriously what is it with the new balance shoes??? Why in the world are these guys wearing white new balance shoes, white tube socks, cargo shorts and a tucked in polo? Its fascinating to see how many pilots look just the same on trips. Hell I can pick out a pilot in the middle of KIX.:confused:

rp2pilot 06-19-2017 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by Master of FiFi (Post 2381704)
I agree with EMBskillz observation. It's one of those things that those people say as a joke, but at the same time not really a joke. The people that use that phrase a lot tend to be more self absorbed than the average pilot, while at the same time less skilled and more afraid of the airplane.

Not much to be afraid of in a commercial setting.. Night carrier landings, now there's something to be afraid of :). Do airplanes scare you?

JoePatroni 06-19-2017 10:19 AM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 2381726)
Seriously what is it with the new balance shoes??? Why in the world are these guys wearing white new balance shoes, white tube socks, cargo shorts and a tucked in polo? Its fascinating to see how many pilots look just the same on trips. Hell I can pick out a pilot in the middle of KIX.:confused:

Maybe it's a Costco thing, pick up some stupid looking shoes while buying a cheap box of wine for that special occasion.

tomgoodman 06-19-2017 10:22 AM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 2381726)
Seriously what is it with the new balance shoes??? Why in the world are these guys wearing white new balance shoes, white tube socks, cargo shorts and a tucked in polo? Its fascinating to see how many pilots look just the same on trips. Hell I can pick out a pilot in the middle of KIX.:confused:

That is haute couture compared to layover outfits of the past: Garage Mechanic shoes with white socks, high-water pants, and a Hawaiian shirt that would get you thrown into a volcano over there. Personally, I preferred Red Wing clodhoppers, Osh Kosh B'gosh bib overalls, and a plaid lumberjack shirt. :D


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