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07-01-2017 | 10:15 AM
#71
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I am not aware of any changes announced for 756 flying out of San Francisco so I'm not sure why you would correlate the 747 being retired with changes in the 756 fleet?
The 747 is currently flying 6 city pairs. All of those flights could be covered by any 777, 200 or 300. There would be a seat loss, but not a wholesale loss of coverage. The 300 has, if I remember correctly, only 8 seats less than the 747 and carries 30 pallets which is exactly the same as a 747. In fact, it was already happening on occasion that a 777 would replace a 747 on specific segments when one or more 747s went down for a mechanical. I believe there will be a significant increase in reliability overall, not a decrease. Plus I disagree with the sentiment that this management team is providing "inadequate resources". I believe they are finally making efficient use of our fleet which will hopefully translate to an improving bottom line for UCH.
According to the the fleet head honcho, there was never a plan to fly the -300 out of EWR. The rumor, as best I could tell, started with the EWR FAs because they got wind of the one route that was slated for a -300 that being the TLV. From there it became all the -300s. I asked while I was out at training and was told the fleet had no idea where the -300s were being deployed. I realize TK is not at the front of information, but I like to believe if the plan was to send all the -300s to EWR, that would be something they would have heard before the EWR line pilots.
What are the 8 city pairs? I believe the 787 is getting some of the 747 routes, and currently the 747 is only flying 6 routes: LHR, FRA, ICN, PEK, PVG, TPE. Also for flights over 10 hours the number I was told is 3 airframes per 10+ hour route. Hence 18 747s for 6 city pairs.
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The 747 is currently flying 6 city pairs. All of those flights could be covered by any 777, 200 or 300. There would be a seat loss, but not a wholesale loss of coverage. The 300 has, if I remember correctly, only 8 seats less than the 747 and carries 30 pallets which is exactly the same as a 747. In fact, it was already happening on occasion that a 777 would replace a 747 on specific segments when one or more 747s went down for a mechanical. I believe there will be a significant increase in reliability overall, not a decrease. Plus I disagree with the sentiment that this management team is providing "inadequate resources". I believe they are finally making efficient use of our fleet which will hopefully translate to an improving bottom line for UCH.
According to the the fleet head honcho, there was never a plan to fly the -300 out of EWR. The rumor, as best I could tell, started with the EWR FAs because they got wind of the one route that was slated for a -300 that being the TLV. From there it became all the -300s. I asked while I was out at training and was told the fleet had no idea where the -300s were being deployed. I realize TK is not at the front of information, but I like to believe if the plan was to send all the -300s to EWR, that would be something they would have heard before the EWR line pilots.
What are the 8 city pairs? I believe the 787 is getting some of the 747 routes, and currently the 747 is only flying 6 routes: LHR, FRA, ICN, PEK, PVG, TPE. Also for flights over 10 hours the number I was told is 3 airframes per 10+ hour route. Hence 18 747s for 6 city pairs.
+1000
Nov 1 pairs are:
EWR: TLV/NRT
SFO: FRA/HKG/NRT/PEK/SYD/TPE
So far this info has been correct. This is 6 week old info and it already was planning for the additional 777-300's. Same source says no A-350's, which isn't really a shock or even news.
07-01-2017 | 02:58 PM
#73
UCH Pilot
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From: 787
We don't staff based on # of planes. Its based on amount of flying. So we could go from 22 747s and only replace them with 18 777s (remember we just added 4 more) and 3 787s, for a total of 21 planes, but actually add flying, like LAX-SIN and EWR-EZE.
I don't think the current lack of bids have anything to do with losing flying. We will almost certainly fly more in summer of 2018 than this summer. Its just that the displacements are creating a training issue and TK is also undergoing construction, which is causing issues.
I think its going to be fine, with some potentially very large vacancy bids in the fall/winter.
07-07-2017 | 08:29 AM
#75
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From: 787
Hopefully the final Displacement for a long time will take place in AUG to clean up the overstaffed categories. Then we can all move on from this massive reshuffling.
07-07-2017 | 10:06 AM
#78
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07-07-2017 | 10:30 AM
#79
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From: 756 CA
Dang, that's an ambitious statement. Some rough math with today's numbers would mean an additional 2000 pilots. Not counting retirements.
07-07-2017 | 10:39 AM
#80
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From: 737 Captain
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