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rp2pilot 09-29-2017 10:12 AM


Originally Posted by horrido27 (Post 2438310)
Another 'unknown' is what the company might be planning with regards to parking more of the older aircraft, in the coming few years.

As long as we hire 450ish, we are keeping up with retirements and keeping the training pipeline primed.
It's been quoted that K wanted more/better utilization of aircraft and crews.
So its possible to actually grow the airline without actually adding tons of planes and pilots.

I still smile when I think about people believing that we were going to have 14000-16000-18000 pilots in the coming years.

Sometimes slow & steady does win the race.

As far as summer 2018 is concerned, 8 months away. They can always get a few extra classes of 40's going in the spring that would cover any crazy growth.

Motch

I'm curious to know how our aircraft / aircrew utilization compares to Delta /American / et alia.. Anybody out there know? The same idea had occurred to me that perhaps they want to up utilization rates before spending capital but I don't have any background data to draw that conclusion.

horrido27 09-29-2017 10:45 AM


Originally Posted by rp2pilot (Post 2438320)
I'm curious to know how our aircraft / aircrew utilization compares to Delta /American / et alia.. Anybody out there know? The same idea had occurred to me that perhaps they want to up utilization rates before spending capital but I don't have any background data to draw that conclusion.

Yupe..
Good question. I would think the only ones with that sort of knowledge would be the unions.
It's not as easy as saying- how many crews per airplane.
You have to know how many ACTIVE pilots are on a fleet, and how many active aircraft there are (not aircraft down for A/B/C/D checks)
Then you need to know how many hours flown vs. active pilots.

SouthWest has to be the easiest to figure out and probably the winner for efficiency.
Always believe the company knows its better/cheaper to have a few less pilots and just pay SRM (if it comes to that). Also better to have higher reserve utilization.

I believe that the union does put out a SSC report every month. Know it's not easy to find..
Thought it showed the reserve utilization of every base/fleet/seat.
Got to believe that the WideBody Capt reserve is barely utilized.. while the narrowbody FO is probably the most.
Just the nature of the beast.

Motch

Larry in TN 09-29-2017 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by AV82SKI (Post 2438251)
Im still not sure what the total max order is right now.

We have 161 737 MAX on order. 61 -9 and 100 -10.

Half wing 09-29-2017 11:06 AM


Originally Posted by horrido27 (Post 2438363)
Yupe..
Good question. I would think the only ones with that sort of knowledge would be the unions.
It's not as easy as saying- how many crews per airplane.
You have to know how many ACTIVE pilots are on a fleet, and how many active aircraft there are (not aircraft down for A/B/C/D checks)
Then you need to know how many hours flown vs. active pilots.

SouthWest has to be the easiest to figure out and probably the winner for efficiency.
Always believe the company knows its better/cheaper to have a few less pilots and just pay SRM (if it comes to that). Also better to have higher reserve utilization.

I believe that the union does put out a SSC report every month. Know it's not easy to find..
Thought it showed the reserve utilization of every base/fleet/seat.
Got to believe that the WideBody Capt reserve is barely utilized.. while the narrowbody FO is probably the most.
Just the nature of the beast.

Motch

SSC report-> log into Alpa-> MEC -> go to committees-> system schedule committee. Reports are there.

Lots of good info.

Master of FiFi 09-29-2017 12:01 PM


Originally Posted by AV82SKI (Post 2438251)
The other unknown is the schedule for the China Southern 319's. Not sure if they are still coming since that info was excluded from recent flight ops updates on future deliveries.

I always wonder about that. You literally never see any mention of the Airbus in any company update, even though we are supposedly still getting a bunch more China 319s, and 2 China 320s according to an Airbus newsletter.

rp2pilot 09-30-2017 06:00 AM


Originally Posted by Half wing (Post 2438387)
SSC report-> log into Alpa-> MEC -> go to committees-> system schedule committee. Reports are there.

Lots of good info.

I'm familiar with it.. Served on council 34 LSC for about 8 years ;) The disconnect is that I don't have similar publications from other airlines to make a a comparison.

horrido27 09-30-2017 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by Half wing (Post 2438387)
SSC report-> log into Alpa-> MEC -> go to committees-> system schedule committee. Reports are there.

Lots of good info.

Thanks..

Motch

fanaticalflyer 10-02-2017 01:09 AM


Originally Posted by sherpster (Post 2438130)
I thought returnees were filling the Nov class.

You have to discount this one class in NOV. It was not an "OPEN" class. No returnees or new hires from May - FEB, and might slide to March. The NOV class was for 13 guys from a previous agreement from this past MAY. It doesn't count in the scheme of things.

sherpster 10-02-2017 04:34 AM

Should change name of thread to “Summer/Fall/Winter 2017/18 Pool”

rbtower2 10-02-2017 02:39 PM

Looks like 24 total vacancies unassigned:
LAX 737 = 11
SFO 737= 13

Hopefully this means a newhire class


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