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CLazarus 08-22-2017 04:06 PM


Originally Posted by Lurchi (Post 2417902)
Thanks MP...there is no good way to say ..."we really want you, in 6 months"...but I suppose the silver lining is that the pool will be FAR less than 153 pilots by the time any of us actually get a United training date...which should mean even less time on reserve...

You aren't even on the property yet and you've already been "Jeffed" over. Sorry Lurchi.

webecheck 08-22-2017 05:08 PM


Originally Posted by Lurchi (Post 2417902)
Thanks MP...there is no good way to say ..."we really want you, in 6 months"...but I suppose the silver lining is that the pool will be FAR less than 153 pilots by the time any of us actually get a United training date...which should mean even less time on reserve...

Look at it this way, if you will be living in a United domicile it's worth it to avoid commuting, plus your retirement seniority will probably be better than not having waited so long for a class as some people ahead of you will have gone elsewhere. If you're staring at 25 years ahead, 6 more months is meaningless.

Caveat, if we buy Spirit and have to merge guys who got passed on in their interviews or have apps waiting here.....I don't even want to think about this possibility.

John Carr 08-22-2017 06:56 PM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 2417875)
we have been posting for months about massive displacements all over the system due to the parking of the 747. When you displace from the most senior aircraft all the way down to zero training will be drastically affected. The training department is so backed up they can't run a vacancy bid. Without a vacancy bid there is no movement without movement there is no new hires.

That's funny, I brought up up that EXACT point previously.

Was told it's been taken into account and wouldn't affect anything......:rolleyes:

Lurchi 08-22-2017 07:07 PM


Originally Posted by CLazarus (Post 2417955)
You aren't even on the property yet and you've already been "Jeffed" over. Sorry Lurchi.

Ha Ha ...I am not really sure what getting "Jeffed" is but so far I don't think I like it...

Dave Fitzgerald 08-22-2017 09:03 PM

Welcome to the club. We're still trying to un-Jeff the airline, and will be for years.

full of luv 08-23-2017 05:11 AM


Originally Posted by Lurchi (Post 2417902)
Thanks MP...there is no good way to say ..."we really want you, in 6 months"...but I suppose the silver lining is that the pool will be FAR less than 153 pilots by the time any of us actually get a United training date...which should mean even less time on reserve...

This is actually good airline industry training as everyone (at all the majors) have been getting a little complacent lately with all this unbridled hiring and optimistic prognostications.

This industry can and will change on a dime some day. May not be another "lost decade" but world events, economic difficulties, oil spikes, and/or mergers could easily cause another "lost few years" on everyones anticipated airline career at any or all of the majors.

Until your on a seniority list with 20% behind you, plan accordingly for system shocks and be pleasantly surprised if all the rainbows and unicorn farts mgmt's been selling over the last few years come true.

cadetdrivr 08-23-2017 05:21 AM


Originally Posted by full of luv (Post 2418156)
Until your on a seniority list with 20% behind you, plan accordingly for system shocks and be pleasantly surprised if all the rainbows and unicorn farts mgmt's been selling over the last few years come true.

Not only this, if you are above the bottom 20% also budget for the downturns that ALWAYS eventually occur. The next one might be mild or it might not.

The last time the spam really hit the fan some of the folks hardest hit were those who were living paycheck-to-paycheck during the good times. They did not get furloughed but they were operating without a net and the result was predictable.

tunes 08-23-2017 07:20 AM


Originally Posted by Lurchi (Post 2417854)
Just received the mail from BK that training will not start until Feb and not hiring 1200 new pilots in 2018....anybody on the "inside" know what is causing the delay. doesn't look that good for United compared to the other Majors....Maybe I should have taken that Delta interview after all....

why would you turn down an interview when you aren't employed at the major of your choice?

John Carr 08-23-2017 07:48 AM


Originally Posted by full of luv (Post 2418156)
This is actually good airline industry training as everyone (at all the majors) have been getting a little complacent lately with all this unbridled hiring and optimistic prognostications.

"Undiedled" may be a stretch. The initial projection for 2017 was 800, with this fall/winter end of year SNAFU it won't even hit 500.

Latest and greatest from BK says 450 for 2018. Look at how mnay retire in 2018.

But.......but......we'll be hiring 100 a month indefinitely!!!


Until your on a seniority list with 20% behind you
Personal experience, but when I took my furlough, it was HALF the pilot group. 20% wouldn't have been enough.....

full of luv 08-23-2017 08:21 AM


Originally Posted by John Carr (Post 2418237)
"Undiedled" may be a stretch. The initial projection for 2017 was 800, with this fall/winter end of year SNAFU it won't even hit 500.

Latest and greatest from BK says 450 for 2018. Look at how mnay retire in 2018.

But.......but......we'll be hiring 100 a month indefinitely!!!



Personal experience, but when I took my furlough, it was HALF the pilot group. 20% wouldn't have been enough.....

Unbridled refers to just over a year ago we had UAL pilots right here on this forum posting they were personally told by mgmt during captain upgrade that the Ual seniority list would be 18,000 strong by 2020, even after retirements. That would have been unbridled hiring had it even come close to fruition.


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