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Airhoss 08-05-2017 07:06 PM


Originally Posted by JetDoc (Post 2405253)
I agree with you to an extent, my comment wasn't directed at Doris, Bill K. or anyone involved in the recruiting process. They take their marching orders from above. That is where arrogance lies.

Plain and simple the hiring slow down is a three tier issue. One the training center rebuild. They simply do not have enough space ready to go, to take on the training load. Two they are critically short of of 737 instructors after the Houston move. Three, the final stages of un-Jeffing the over staffing in some bases is in its final stages.

So I'd say its more of an ignorance issue on your part than an arrogance issue at the top. Right now as I write this they are hiring nearly 30, 737 instructors with an additional 17, 777 instructors coming in the near future. And it takes a LONG time to get an instructor fully qualified and up to speed. It generally takes 18 to 24 months to get a guy fully up and completely qualified. It takes a good 2 to 3 months to get them where they are able to to the most basic stuff.

The instructor hiring alone should tell you that they are getting ready for a big hiring push. But by all means, if Fed Ex calls take the class date. A bird in hand......

DWC CAP10 USAF 08-06-2017 05:43 AM


Originally Posted by horrido27 (Post 2405358)
Unacceptable.

This is one of the problems with HR being (so) involved with Hiring.
Let's be honest.. most non pilots don't care if they can put 'pilots' lives in limbo for a while.

Would be interesting to know how many pilots who interviewed and got the CJO but then were left in limbo, started class with someone else.

Hang in there and hopefully it's soon. If ya end up on the 756 in EWR, biers on me~

Always
Motch

I know 3 people in the pool above me that have already started Indoc at either FedEx or Delta.

I myself interviewed with Delta last week, got the CJO, and can start Indoc 2nd week do Sept.....a 38 day turn around.

Scrappy 08-06-2017 08:45 AM


Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF (Post 2405459)
I know 3 people in the pool above me that have already started Indoc at either FedEx or Delta.

I myself interviewed with Delta last week, got the CJO, and can start Indoc 2nd week do Sept.....a 38 day turn around.

Congrats. Do what is best for you and your family. I don't think anyone is questioning that.

patelam 08-06-2017 09:49 AM


Originally Posted by mrmak2 (Post 2405266)
sorry to be the negative Nancy but those guys screwed themselves. A new hire at any cargo company today is destined for disaster. Between age 67 (or 68) and the push for single pilot airplanes (10-20 years from now) my guess is they will be back in the pool sooner rather than later.

Two things, we can discuss single pilot 121 ops after we get "ownship" on our iPads, and FedEx pilots retire with their pensions at 60. 67 or 68 means diddly, I believe UPS is the same.

PRS Guitars 08-06-2017 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF (Post 2405354)
Thing that chapped my arse was the 5 months or NORDO from United.

I interviewed in March and was told expect June Indoc.

June obviously came and went...

Not until Aug do we get the first bit of comms as to what is going up on.

American is doing the same thing, except with the CJO as well. Since they have no pool...it takes anywhere from a few days to 6 weeks to get a CJO, then a wait for class.in 2015 they even waited a year to offer CJO's due to furlough returnees. All with zero comm to the candidate. Ridiculous...

horrido27 08-06-2017 05:52 PM


Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF (Post 2405459)
I know 3 people in the pool above me that have already started Indoc at either FedEx or Delta.

I myself interviewed with Delta last week, got the CJO, and can start Indoc 2nd week do Sept.....a 38 day turn around.

Dude.. congrats!
Seriously though- if you don't have a class date with U before the Delta class date, take it!
You can always leave D and start class at U if you so desire. But the nightmare scenario would be to turn down D because you have a class date at U in Oct, and then the next war/catastrophe/downturn happens inbetween and you're on the outside without a seniority number.

At the end of the day, the airline world (civilian world) isn't like the military world. You only have yourself looking out for yourself. As the lack of comm should show you~

Good Luck with whatever you decide. Good to be in the drivers seat!
Always
Motch

SD3FR8DOG 08-06-2017 07:18 PM


Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF (Post 2405354)
Thing that chapped my arse was the 5 months or NORDO from United.

I interviewed in March and was told expect June Indoc.

June obviously came and went...

Not until Aug do we get the first bit of comms as to what is going up on.

Seems to be common. Even the lovely folks at HAL were a couple months between Comms. It's always the way in aviation, believe it when your in class.

John Carr 08-07-2017 07:54 AM


Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF (Post 2405459)
I know 3 people in the pool above me that have already started Indoc at either FedEx or Delta.

I myself interviewed with Delta last week, got the CJO, and can start Indoc 2nd week do Sept.....a 38 day turn around.

Imagine a few years ago during the 737 CA debacle when it was as long as 8-10 months :eek:

And then weirdly enough, it went the OTHER direction. UAL was putting people in class within 4-6 weeks and DAL was slacking.

MiLa 08-07-2017 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 2405362)
Plain and simple the hiring slow down is a three tier issue. One the training center rebuild. They simply do not have enough space ready to go, to take on the training load. Two they are critically short of of 737 instructors after the Houston move. Three, the final stages of un-Jeffing the over staffing in some bases is in its final stages.

So I'd say its more of an ignorance issue on your part than an arrogance issue at the top. Right now as I write this they are hiring nearly 30, 737 instructors with an additional 17, 777 instructors coming in the near future. And it takes a LONG time to get an instructor fully qualified and up to speed. It generally takes 18 to 24 months to get a guy fully up and completely qualified. It takes a good 2 to 3 months to get them where they are able to to the most basic stuff.

The instructor hiring alone should tell you that they are getting ready for a big hiring push. But by all means, if Fed Ex calls take the class date. A bird in hand......

Airhoss... PM Sent

Airhoss 08-11-2017 05:20 AM


Originally Posted by MiLa (Post 2405966)
Airhoss... PM Sent

And responded to....:)


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