Originally Posted by mrmak2 (Post 2405266)

sorry to be the negative Nancy but those guys screwed themselves. A new hire at any cargo company today is destined for disaster. Between age 67 (or 68) and the push for single pilot airplanes (10-20 years from now) my guess is they will be back in the pool sooner rather than later.

Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 2405362)

Plain and simple the hiring slow down is a three tier issue. One the training center rebuild. They simply do not have enough space ready to go, to take on the training load. Two they are critically short of of 737 instructors after the Houston move. Three, the final stages of un-Jeffing the over staffing in some bases is in its final stages.

So I'd say its more of an ignorance issue on your part than an arrogance issue at the top. Right now as I write this they are hiring nearly 30, 737 instructors with an additional 17, 777 instructors coming in the near future. And it takes a LONG time to get an instructor fully qualified and up to speed. It generally takes 18 to 24 months to get a guy fully up and completely qualified. It takes a good 2 to 3 months to get them where they are able to to the most basic stuff.

The instructor hiring alone should tell you that they are getting ready for a big hiring push. But by all means, if Fed Ex calls take the class date. A bird in hand......

Originally Posted by tunes (Post 2408515)

big hiring push.....like saying the 1200 next year has already turned into ~500?

Originally Posted by tunes (Post 2408515)

big hiring push.....like saying the 1200 next year has already turned into ~500?

Originally Posted by John Carr (Post 2408640)

The guys in the other thread will disagree, it'll be 1200!!!!:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 2408954)

It'll be what it it'll be. We get to find out what it was starting about 1/1/19.

Originally Posted by John Carr (Post 2408966)

My guess is by end of Q1 2018 :cool:

Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 2409271)

That's a good possibility. I've seen this company furiously hire into a furlough twice now. I've seen them dramatically increase the number of instructors on a particular fleet only to gut the instructor ranks on the same fleet within the year.

I've also seen them hold off on hiring new instructor only to suddenly find themselves critically short and unable to deal with the training demand. Right now they are seriously ramping up. Which logically would indicate a huge training increase. But logic seldom applies in the airline industry.

I can only tell you what's going on at the moment. I have no crystal ball to make definitive statements about the future. And neither does anyone else. No matter how desperately they need to feel important and superior.

Originally Posted by John Carr (Post 2409356)

Agreed on all.

Was just making the joke based past performance.

Plus by Q1 of this year it was pretty much certain they wouldn't hit the initial 800 number.