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awax 09-08-2017 05:14 PM
IAH787 grandfather rights
 
No CBA on my phone, Can someone post the language regarding equipment closures and grandfather rights in the case of IAH787, if any?

Open new equipment bid, or recall for displaced IAH787 pilots?

svergin 09-08-2017 05:47 PM
Originally Posted by awax (Post 2427440)
No CBA on my phone, Can someone post the language regarding equipment closures and grandfather rights in the case of IAH787, if any?

Open new equipment bid, or recall for displaced IAH787 pilots?
8-C-6 When a vacancy or vacancies occur in a Category from which a Pilot(s) has been displaced under the provisions of Section 8-E, the displaced Pilot(s) shall, for a period of 120 days beyond the effective date of his displacement, be offered in order of seniority the vacancy prior to awarding that position under the provisions of Section 8-C-5. This 120 day period is measured from the effective date of the displacement to the date on which the vacancy bulletin is published.

awax 09-08-2017 06:41 PM
Thanks for posting that - so the effective date for future IAH flying for the purpose of recall has to be October 30, 2017 + 120 days. Or, February 27, 2018.

svergin 09-08-2017 08:48 PM
Originally Posted by awax (Post 2427468)
Thanks for posting that - so the effective date for future IAH flying for the purpose of recall has to be October 30, 2017 + 120 days. Or, February 27, 2018.
The way I read it, and I'm assuming this legacy language is from the UAL contract, then 100% of the IAH 787 CA/FOs will all get to come back ahead of any other pilots on any vacancy bid posted before that date.

LCAL didn't have language in our contract like this as I recall.

El10 09-09-2017 08:43 AM
Originally Posted by svergin (Post 2427500)
The way I read it, and I'm assuming this legacy language is from the UAL contract, then 100% of the IAH 787 CA/FOs will all get to come back ahead of any other pilots on any vacancy bid posted before that date.

LCAL didn't have language in our contract like this as I recall.
Each displacement had a different effective date. The first round of displacements was 1701 if I remember correctly. You have to add 120 days to each displacement. If someone took a voluntary bump early on, their rights may expire before the vacancy opens.

joepilot 09-09-2017 09:42 AM
Originally Posted by El10 (Post 2427663)
Each displacement had a different effective date. The first round of displacements was 1701 if I remember correctly. You have to add 120 days to each displacement. If someone took a voluntary bump early on, their rights may expire before the vacancy opens.
True, but you have to figure that when somebody takes a voluntary bump, it is because they really wanted the bid, and the paid move.

Joe

Sunvox 09-09-2017 10:32 AM
Originally Posted by El10 (Post 2427663)
Each displacement had a different effective date. The first round of displacements was 1701 if I remember correctly. You have to add 120 days to each displacement. If someone took a voluntary bump early on, their rights may expire before the vacancy opens.
I think the earliest displacement was 1709D with an effective date of 8/29/17 which if I'm reading the language above correctly puts the grandfather rights out in December sometime.

May 3, 2017
Dear IAH 787 Captains and First Officers,

As announced in the April 6th Townhall/Message from Howard, the 787 fleet will cease flying out of IAH at the end of October, 2017. As a result, the IAH 787 category is now in phase out status. The first displacement will open today, and will involve a displacement of twenty (20) IAH 787 captains and twenty (20) IAH 787 first officers. Under the provisions in Section 8-E of the UPA, this letter constitutes formal displacement notice to twenty (20) IAH 787 captains and twenty (20) IAH 787 first officers, as shown on the attached lists, with an effective date of August 29, 2017. The pilots listed on the attached sheet are required to submit
displacement bids in CCS using the procedures below by 1200 CT on May 17, 2017.

svergin 09-09-2017 11:38 AM
Originally Posted by Sunvox (Post 2427731)
I think the earliest displacement was 1709D with an effective date of 8/29/17 which if I'm reading the language above correctly puts the grandfather rights out in December sometime.
Which means 100% of them will be able to come back if they want, since this route starts in January, the vacancy bids are going to have to be in advance of that for sure.

Slats Extend 09-09-2017 03:56 PM
Scabfather rights....At least some that bumped to will leave the west coast :)

Andy 09-09-2017 04:16 PM
Originally Posted by svergin (Post 2427764)
Which means 100% of them will be able to come back if they want, since this route starts in January, the vacancy bids are going to have to be in advance of that for sure.
As it should be. For the company to not offer those IAH 787 crews who were bumped first right of refusal would be unacceptable. Even beyond 120 days IMHO.


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