Any info on the positions offered in this weeks class?

37 peeps. 11 A320 SFO. 7 x 756 to various bases. 19 x 737 to various bases. Nobody selected Guam but it was available.

Thanks for the update. Hoping GUM stays voluntary only for the next few classes.

No prob.
If you're late thirties or older I imagine you would still have a choice on the drop. Even if you did have to select it, I think you could not signup for the 18 month tour ( to get a free one way move) and simply base transfer on the next vacancy.

Just to add to the above post:

NOV 6th class

37 Total.

EWR 737 - 9

DCA 737 - 5
DCA 756 - 4 (8-Ball)

LAX 756 - 3

SFO 737 - 5
SFO 320 - 11

Welcome to all half wingers. Next class is NOV 27th good luck to all

Hey MOP,
I got my CJO today! Can’t wait to start in December!

Congrats! That’s a quick turn around from CJO to class I’m glad the wait is greeting shorter. Welcome to United.

Welcome to the chaos!

What's the total number of pilots in each new hire class? I've seen 37 a lot in the drop lists, but isn't a new hire class supposed to have 40 pilots? I understand some may be a no show, so I'm more looking for the target number United looks to have in each class.

40 is the target but UA will tweak it to match available training slots.

Keep in mind that manpower planning earlier stated that they plan to use every single sim period between now and next summer. Thus, after transition and recurrent crews are scheduled they plan to use all remaining capacity for new hires.

This is the reason that we are seeing additional classes scheduled on a rolling basis and with class sizes other than 40.

What is the training capacity for the guppy? There have been a large number of captain awards and I’m curious how many they can crank through each week....assuming they are paired up with new hires and not other upgrades.

Great question.

I just hope that CAs are paired with FOs as much as possible.

One ofthe junior EWR awards from 19-02 starts 12/16 - 1/21. No training partner is assigned so it will be a new hire who starts soon.

Haven seen any no-shows recently. Sometimes there's a furlough returnee or a couple FTI's occupying 2 or 3 of the 40 slots.

Going to have 49 Qual crews (not short course upgrades) in Dec and targeting up to 55 crews per month early next year. It will be the most training conducted in a single fleet in the history of either airline.

Wow! Good news. I guess there won't be many PIs out flying much.

On the final awards, are the names with SUP next to it just paper awards? No training required? Just counting up the number of guys ahead of me to get a ball park estimate.

Yes, SUPs are either instructors, managers, etc...

They still have the required number of flights to do. Doesn't look like this hiring will ease up for awhile either.

And our head count is still holding steady at 12,600....after 5 years of hiring.👨*✈️👩*✈️👨*✈️👩*✈️👨*✈️👩*✈️

After next Fall you can actually use those numbers to mean something. Since we have had a good number of folks on furlough bypass for years now, you actually need to look at active pilots, not total pilot on the seniority list , to judge growth

Active pilots on vacancy 17-07 was 11,170. On the one that just closed it shows 11,108. Not much growth there, it seems we are just hiring for retirements.

True, but that was before the 747 fleet parking, so we went down on active numbers from then and are now on our way back up.

If you look at the minimum number that Manpower Planning wanted on the Vacancy 18-04 Min-Max document you see 10581. On the Vacancy that just closed (19-04 One year later) Min-Max you see 11021. That shows that Manpower Planning sees a need for an additional 440 pilots from a year ago.

More importantly the difference between minimum and actual is now very close (87 vs 460), so they don't have pilots in places they don't want like they used to. That means that now the increased need for pilots doesn't get filled by moving the excess from elsewhere, but gets filled by new hires.

Don't take this the wrong way, I would definitely want more and more pilots, but at least the data from Manpower now shows that we actually need more pilots. Since their view is much more important than mine, I am glad to see that even their stuff shows the need for more pilots.

Actually i think there has been significant growth. The difference is that they are getting more work out of each widget. We were certainly fat in many BES and with the shutdown of the 747, I think they have the manning more in line with what they want the utilization to be.

Reserve numbers are down, with guys flying more....at least on the 777. Not complaining...just an observation.

There's still some overmanning in some fleets/seats out there. LAX 787 comes to mind - I wouldn't be surprised to not see any vacancies there until 2020.

How is the Bus working for you?

Well, I have Christmas off.*

I'm moving up one or two every vacancy bid and have gotten lines for both Nov and Dec.

I miss WB flying; I'll give this some more time but may end up bidding back to 787 right seat. The pay difference is negligible and there's less time off on the Bus.

*I have a 30 hr layover in IND. :D

Less time off on a narrow body is offset by the recovery time of international flying. So, at least for me, the usable time off is about the same. And, less wear and tear on the body domestic.

So does that mean you’ll be bidding back to guppy captain :D

I've never had that issue when flying internationally. That includes SFO-PVG-LAX-PVG-SFO on the 787. YMMV.

I wonder if the lower cabin altitude in 787 makes that much of a difference. Im wiped out after any NRT trip. Im gonna give the guppy a chance for a while. If it sucks, i will bid 787.

I flew some LAX-LHR-LAX trips on the 777; never had any issues with them either.
That said, the 787 is a step up from the 777. I think the humidity levels are more advantageous than cabin altitude on the 787. As far as the flight deck, the 787 is nicer.

Don't get me wrong, I still like the 777 a lot.

I don't really care about destinations so Fifi's fine for me - I know many prefer where the guppy flies to. It's all just a hotel room away from the family for me so there's not much difference to me if it's Des Moines or Cancun.

If it paid the same, yes! Besides, the guppy will fly rings around the 777, it's a lot faster.

In the pitch axis.....maybe. 😳

Yes, on approach :eek:

Have a CJO for December class. Any gouge on what to expect.

The stuff the FTC sends you is pretty thorough and up to date, but generally it is two weeks of Basic Indoc then a break before about 4 weeks of fleet training (how long varies). You’ll pick your base and equipment on the first day.

Obviously the Guppy is faster. It can take off, fly to its destination, and land like 20 times in the time it takes the 777 to do it once. :D

Great thanks!

You got me there, BUT, I will get more credit hours at a higher rate for my 1 preflight, taxi, takeoff, landing and post flight, than you will in your 20 (hyperbole intended) “Supersonic Approach Speed Guppy” flights, and I’ll have a nice nap enroute in my comfy bunk.......😂