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VacancyBid 03-28-2024 06:17 AM

GUM isn't a siberian labor camp but it's not a base like any other.

Commuting 7,000 miles against your will is fundamentally different than 700.

jdavk 03-28-2024 06:31 AM


Originally Posted by VacancyBid (Post 3786353)
Commuting 7,000 miles against your will is fundamentally different than 700.

Yet you knew it was a possibility when you took the job.

Excargodog 03-28-2024 07:11 AM


Originally Posted by VacancyBid (Post 3786353)
GUM isn't a siberian labor camp but it's not a base like any other.

Commuting 7,000 miles against your will is fundamentally different than 700.

Let me guess, ...never been in the military?

And heck, there hasn't even been active hostilities there since 1952 when the last Japanese soldier discovered the war was over although he wasn't actually captured for another couple decades...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoichi_Yokoi

Of course, the UXO risk persists...

https://www.usace.army.mil/Portals/2.../Guam_MMRP.pdf

MindFuzz 03-28-2024 08:14 AM


Originally Posted by VacancyBid (Post 3786353)
GUM isn't a siberian labor camp but it's not a base like any other.

Commuting 7,000 miles against your will is fundamentally different than 700.

Do that many people really commute? It sounds like an awesome excuse to go live the island life for a year or two. I've been to Guam numerous times and I would consider it based on the unique experience it offers.

Andy 03-28-2024 08:19 AM


Originally Posted by TFAYD (Post 3786225)
it may become a big deal if vacancy bids dry up. perfect storm of MAX drama and FAA drama is brewing …. Nothing indicates that this is a thing - at least not yet.

This is a temporary pause. That's it.
The only way vacancy bids stop is if passenger demand falls off. And there's no sign of that happening. But you can find plenty of pilots who will cry wolf about 'the music stopping' over and over again. Eventually they are right.
Look at the passenger numbers: https://www.tsa.gov/travel/passenger-volumes
It's pretty much up 10% from 2023. United has to grow in order to keep up with demand. If United stops growing, all airline ticket prices (not just United) will increase considerably in order to suppress demand growth.
On the same note, we need Boeing to keep building those POS guppies in order to keep up with demand.
The FAA can try to stop United growth and Boeing from building aircraft, but the public blowback will be untenable.

JTwift 03-28-2024 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by hummingbear (Post 3786341)
I think you’re reading too much into the verbiage. For the sake of conversation, “forced” just means “involuntary”- meaning it was that individual’s only option. (Other than “apply somewhere else or quit”.) No one is saying involuntary awards are wrong or unfair- we understand how seniority works. It’s just an interesting reference point to know which seats are going involuntary at a given time. If you can remove the emotion you seem to attach to the word “forced” this conversation might make a lot more sense to you.

Ive seen more than one class drop paper with the word “forced” on it recently. I’ve been watching them the past several years, and it had never shown up until the contract was signed. I think people are equating “forced” Captain spots with “I don’t like this, so it’s forced” so they then annotate it for some reason. It seems to be a recent thing, and I’m not sure the reason for even putting it on there.

VacancyBid 03-28-2024 11:39 AM


Originally Posted by MindFuzz (Post 3786389)
Do that many people really commute? It sounds like an awesome excuse to go live the island life for a year or two. I've been to Guam numerous times and I would consider it based on the unique experience it offers.

The "any base that you want, so long as it's in the eastern hemisphere" crew hasn't hit the line yet ... but yeah, I can imagine someone with family issues commuting for 2-3 months before swapping.

hummingbear 03-28-2024 03:03 PM


Originally Posted by JTwift (Post 3786436)
Ive seen more than one class drop paper with the word “forced” on it recently. I’ve been watching them the past several years, and it had never shown up until the contract was signed. I think people are equating “forced” Captain spots with “I don’t like this, so it’s forced” so they then annotate it for some reason. It seems to be a recent thing, and I’m not sure the reason for even putting it on there.

But I mean, who cares? Call it forced, involuntary, too junior to hold anything else- it all means the same thing. You’re acting like “forced” necessarily connotes unfairness or anger at the system. There’s no value attached to it, it just means the guy didn’t have a second choice. Happens all the time in aviation.

Cachaco 03-30-2024 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by Andy (Post 3786391)
This is a temporary pause. That's it.
The only way vacancy bids stop is if passenger demand falls off. And there's no sign of that happening. But you can find plenty of pilots who will cry wolf about 'the music stopping' over and over again. Eventually they are right.
Look at the passenger numbers: https://www.tsa.gov/travel/passenger-volumes
It's pretty much up 10% from 2023. United has to grow in order to keep up with demand. If United stops growing, all airline ticket prices (not just United) will increase considerably in order to suppress demand growth.
On the same note, we need Boeing to keep building those POS guppies in order to keep up with demand.
The FAA can try to stop United growth and Boeing from building aircraft, but the public blowback will be untenable.


Your assumption that demand is unlimited and infinite is pretty gullible. Financing airplanes when pax demand is high is easy. When you have too many assets not so much. Bastian is a CEO who really gets this, preaches optimistic but measured, strategic growth. Not growth for the sake of growth, highly leveraging the assets before acquiring new ones. Unlike drag queen CEO, which thankfully is being somewhat impeded by Boeing (he’ll thank them later).

Mag15 04-01-2024 09:02 AM

Long time reader, first time poster. Since these posts seem to get off track, here is my attempt to get back on topic. I'm looking to see if anyone who received CJO's early-mid March have recieved class dates yet or might have info on when to expect them? I beleive no classes May/June, but i'm just trying to set my own expectations for planning. I received a CJO on 23 March, and still waiting on the pee test info. Thanks for the help!


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