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Old 01-27-2018 | 12:04 PM
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Old 01-27-2018 | 12:13 PM
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It appears as though the company is planning on the pilot group flying allot of "over time" in the form of premium pay trips. That just might be their business plan.

Also, it may be baked into the cake that management doesn't believe in the impending doom and gloom of the so-called pilot shortage. If they aren't jumping through hoops into hiring mode, then they believe there will be no shortage of qualified applicants.
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Old 01-27-2018 | 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
We also still have bases that are way out of whack. We have 2 new hire classes worth of pilots sitting as FO in DCA on the 777, and thats before the loss of the GUM - NRT 7 day trip. We have 1 class of new hires sitting as FO in SFO on the 787. According to the last snap shot it looks like with the reduction of RSVs the 777 has 113 extra FOs, you take out the 777 DCA overstaffing and you get 79 thats another 2 new hire classes.

They also have an entire vacancy bid worth of WB CA bids sitting as CA in SFO on the 787. and that translates into upward movement stagnation and less new hires.

We aren't stagnant because of no growth or lack of opportunities we are stagnant because of the failures of man power planning with the Smizek regime, fences, 747 parking and the constant shifting of airframes in and out and back in to bases. The lack of backfills is what has killed the new hire numbers.
Exactly. We are staffing "internally" because some BES's are still overstaffed and "Jeffed" up.
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Old 01-27-2018 | 01:06 PM
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So what your saying is those of us hired in past 12-14 months are Fcd! No movement and RSV forever. While Delta has 2 year upgrades

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Exactly. We are staffing "internally" because some BES's are still overstaffed and "Jeffed" up.
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Old 01-27-2018 | 01:19 PM
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So what your saying is those of us hired in past 12-14 months are Fcd! No movement and RSV forever. While Delta has 2 year upgrades
Personal opinion - I don't think so at all and I think MoP is right. Definitely not endless stagnation if jr in jr bases on the narrow body side.

On the plus side we managed reasonable but not earth shattering 2017 profit despite having this "fat" to trim plus the big cost of the IAH hurricane. Factor in Kirby's planned annual growth for the next 3 years and what appears to be some network vision and the trimming won't take very long and we're in better shape going forward.

Not trying to put on the rose colored glasses but there's a lot of good here.
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Old 01-27-2018 | 04:26 PM
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Not enough co-pilots
Ways to save money in Contract '18???
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Old 01-28-2018 | 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by guppyflyer
Ways to save money in Contract '18???
Remember the furlough mitigation LOA? That was a scope relief LOA disguised as furlough mitigation. It was a back-room deal done by the scheduling chair who wasn't even a member of the NC. Then, a motion to go into exeucutive session to consider. Our current contract was public knowledge, our scope language was public knowledge, and so was the company's intent to furlough 147 pilots.

Why the need to consider the joint venture (scope relief) LOA in executive session? why not give it to the reps to take home and read through, and why not show it to the entire pilot group out in the open?

It wasn't about saving money in contract '02. It was about saving face. Company held those pilots hostage not the union. The company then creatively devised a plan to release the hostages they took and asked the union to pull the trigger on it in secret (executive session). Let's see, we can pull the pin on the hand-grenade that destroys the profession for all, or we can pull the trigger on the gun that shoots 147 pilots in the head.

What a splendid furlough adventure and what glorious additional flying opportunities there were. Funny, those management pilots never worked so hard in their entire lives....
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Old 01-28-2018 | 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Ni hao
So what your saying is those of us hired in past 12-14 months are Fcd! No movement and RSV forever. While Delta has 2 year upgrades
They don't have 2 years upgrades at DAL. They have a few fleets/seats that are so unpleasant to fly that only the young, petulant, and greedy are silly enough to bid them.

If you are a new hire, now is the time to switch teams. Don't wait. Go to DAL now and be a JFK mad dog Captain in under 2 years.
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Old 01-28-2018 | 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Probe
They don't have 2 years upgrades at DAL.
Even so, my close friend upgraded to 717 Captain in a little over 3 years. I’d still call that quick.
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Old 01-29-2018 | 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by HuggyU2
Even so, my close friend upgraded to 717 Captain in a little over 3 years. I’d still call that quick.
Transitory only. 3 years from now, the Jr Captain at DAL might have 15 years seniority. I have seen this movie before. This is my 3rd showing.
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