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05-10-2018 | 10:33 AM
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Years? That may be a bit of an exaggeration. Could be that way on the 787 but from the junior folks I know on the 787 they can get at least one landing a month if they are aggressive with trading and pick up. If you have strict bidding criteria like having weekends off and only going to one or two select cities on specific days then yeah, you might go a while without being able to get the flying on a specific trip leaving on specific days. But if you're open you can get landings.
It's a little easier for junior folks to get landings on the 777 because we have more domestic flying than the 787.
It's a little easier for junior folks to get landings on the 777 because we have more domestic flying than the 787.
As a reserve I haven’t had a landing in over a year, and before that landing it was another year. Since IOE I have a total 10 landings in the plane in 2.5 years and 4 of those came when I bought trips for consolidation.
05-10-2018 | 10:56 AM
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Thanks for the responses gents, just interested in how you guys managed this, as we don't really have "bunkie" or a set relief pilot...just another Capt or FO.
I should have caveated my post with the fact that it sounds like it can vary wildly by base/fleet/fNWA vs fDal, with respect to divvying out the landings. So far, in my category everyone seems to be all about getting guys their landings, which we generally figure out in the brief. Some trips I've passed on landings because I've wanted the 1st break, others I've gotten 2 landings (6-day trip) because everyone was good and the other guys were indifferent.
Generally the only guys who have landing issues are the guys who bid reserve (my plan after the summer). Obviously those guys can go long stretches without even flying, let along getting a landing.
I'm on the 330 so a vast majority of our flying is 3-pilot trips to Europe. The 4-pilot Asia flying, from my base, are generally 13.5 hours max and leave ~noon. I've only gotten a few so I can't speak to much to how guys prepare. The few I've gotten, I've always felts pretty good with the 1 short/1 long break scheme, even without knowing which break I'll get.
Which one is better, I'm guessing is dependent upon the person. However, I can see the benefit of knowing which break you'll have.
I should have caveated my post with the fact that it sounds like it can vary wildly by base/fleet/fNWA vs fDal, with respect to divvying out the landings. So far, in my category everyone seems to be all about getting guys their landings, which we generally figure out in the brief. Some trips I've passed on landings because I've wanted the 1st break, others I've gotten 2 landings (6-day trip) because everyone was good and the other guys were indifferent.
Generally the only guys who have landing issues are the guys who bid reserve (my plan after the summer). Obviously those guys can go long stretches without even flying, let along getting a landing.
I'm on the 330 so a vast majority of our flying is 3-pilot trips to Europe. The 4-pilot Asia flying, from my base, are generally 13.5 hours max and leave ~noon. I've only gotten a few so I can't speak to much to how guys prepare. The few I've gotten, I've always felts pretty good with the 1 short/1 long break scheme, even without knowing which break I'll get.
Which one is better, I'm guessing is dependent upon the person. However, I can see the benefit of knowing which break you'll have.
05-10-2018 | 11:03 AM
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Two versions of a “bust” the sat short cycle. Which flags a pilot and requires them to come back every 90 days whether or not they are getting landings on the line. Then there is a retrain short cycle where a pilot is NQed and retrained until they can be brought up to standards. After that they are on a short cycle schedule where they have to come back every 90 days whether they are getting landings or not.
05-10-2018 | 11:27 AM
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Two versions of a “bust” the sat short cycle. Which flags a pilot and requires them to come back every 90 days whether or not they are getting landings on the line. Then there is a retrain short cycle where a pilot is NQed and retrained until they can be brought up to standards. After that they are on a short cycle schedule where they have to come back every 90 days whether they are getting landings or not.
05-10-2018 | 03:36 PM
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Our contract is full of arcane currency requirements and penalties.
The WB Bunkie position has become almost a bid category of its own, even though it isn't. You bid 777 F/O. Within the F/O ranks, there are people who are able to hold lines, which is referred to as above the G-line, and then reserve. The currency requirements are the same, but accomplished differently. Within the F/O PBS bidding, you bid flying and Bunkie lines. Many of the Bunkie lines are much more efficient than the flying lines. More days off at home, more pay. Go non current, you get paid to stay at home till they can work you into a landings class.
But, if a line holder goes non-current for landings, they go to our training center on days off and basically don't get paid for it. However, and I'm not sure of all the intricacies, reserves go on reserve days and basically do--for that activity. The caveat is being paid at home while non-current.
Many F/O's work the system, both reserves and line holders, to purposely go non-current to work the schedule and days off they otherwise couldn't hold.
Captains can and sometimes do change who gets the landing, but it's not common. Usually, because someone is begging for a landing and doesn't want to go to landings class. It's all over the map, and I've stopped trying to figure out all the different motivations.
The WB Bunkie position has become almost a bid category of its own, even though it isn't. You bid 777 F/O. Within the F/O ranks, there are people who are able to hold lines, which is referred to as above the G-line, and then reserve. The currency requirements are the same, but accomplished differently. Within the F/O PBS bidding, you bid flying and Bunkie lines. Many of the Bunkie lines are much more efficient than the flying lines. More days off at home, more pay. Go non current, you get paid to stay at home till they can work you into a landings class.
But, if a line holder goes non-current for landings, they go to our training center on days off and basically don't get paid for it. However, and I'm not sure of all the intricacies, reserves go on reserve days and basically do--for that activity. The caveat is being paid at home while non-current.
Many F/O's work the system, both reserves and line holders, to purposely go non-current to work the schedule and days off they otherwise couldn't hold.
Captains can and sometimes do change who gets the landing, but it's not common. Usually, because someone is begging for a landing and doesn't want to go to landings class. It's all over the map, and I've stopped trying to figure out all the different motivations.
Yup.
The guys that do the landing class game full time can either make an extra month's pay a year or be home an extra month a year paid.
It's quite the system.
05-10-2018 | 03:55 PM
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05-10-2018 | 04:27 PM
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Occasionally.
A lot of things have to line up just right for that to happen. I've been to landings class 4 times since I went to the fleet. I was non-qual for a total of 3 days while awaiting my class. And it seems to be the norm for the guys in my seniority range, at least those that I speak with.
05-10-2018 | 05:04 PM
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Occasionally.
A lot of things have to line up just right for that to happen. I've been to landings class 4 times since I went to the fleet. I was non-qual for a total of 3 days while awaiting my class. And it seems to be the norm for the guys in my seniority range, at least those that I speak with.
A lot of things have to line up just right for that to happen. I've been to landings class 4 times since I went to the fleet. I was non-qual for a total of 3 days while awaiting my class. And it seems to be the norm for the guys in my seniority range, at least those that I speak with.
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