Hey does all this mean at the Jet 45 prior on day two or at the curb?

 

Uggghhh….Yes, we are. I expect UAL to be better than every other airline out there.

This is not just one of those deals. As stated, our passengers expect a safe travel experience. Cutting corners is not the way to do it. Again, how do you explain it the NTSB at the accident hearing, if you are able to tell them?

This is a no brainer. Do the work you are contracted, and required to do. Anything less is cutting corners and putting everyone, and your tickets in jeopardy.

 

I’m not saying that United isn’t a very safe operation. It is. I’m saying that airlines such as American and Delta are as well and that we are no more safe or professional than they are. I also never said anything about cutting corners. We all have access to the flight paperwork and are expected to review it prior to each flight. Every other airline reviews the paperwork and speaks up if there is a problem. I’m saying that the meet and greet prior to the first leg of pairing serves no real purpose. I don’t buy that captain setting the tone argument either. The tone is set by our FOM, FAR’s, aircraft manuals, etc. If the way LUAL did things is in fact better than every other airline there would be some type of measurable data showing that. There is not. If we are the best of the best and still shut down perfectly good engines and divert into RNO thinking that we have a fuel leak because we forgot to close the fuel crossfeed valve, tail strikes, jacking up VNAV so bad that we almost fly into a mountain, etc, then I’m afraid to think how bad the rest of the industry is. Striving to be your best is admirable, thinking you are better than the rest with nothing to back it up is arrogant.

 

You forgot to say, IMHO. All of your rhetoric is, once again, in your opinion. Many of us have operated our flights for years without incident and do not require to accomplish it using your so called safer method of doing things.

 

or what? are you saying large numbers of flights operate unprepared? What about in a less than 45min turn? Are you unable to short turn a -700 or 319? what about 20min turn times for RJ's? 30min for SWA?

The other day I heard a 777 crew on a domestic flight who wanted 1.5 hours to get ready.

Its all about what you are used to.. and you are trained to operate at a glacial pace. I suggest working at your routine and making the effort to speed up.

 

I read your post, and immediately thought of when I heard Charlie Precourt give an outstanding talk on "normalcy of deviance" in Jan 2016.

 

"normalization of deviance"

 

Exactly. fill.

 

I'm suggesting some would rush and cut corners to get out on time.

Making an effort to speed it up? Glacial pace? Good lord. I don't drag, I don't rush and I'm rarely late of my own doing. I've been flying for 36 years so you can save your "gitterdone" speech for someone else.

 

There are good and established reasons to meeting in he FPA prior to flight;

Meet the rest of the crew including Co-pilot, Flight Engineer, Navigator, and radio operator.

Inspect Flight Attendants for proper uniform, make up and brief.

Have a couple cigarettes with coffee.

It takes a long time to get those weather reports and notams off the teletype, before you can review them with the meteorologist.

Now, where did I park the Packard?


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