Report time changes
05-18-2018, 10:53 AM
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Report time changes
Hey Guys your opinion please. Leaving LA got a note on the phone that stated our report time the following day had changed by 15 minutes. Moved up. When in the limo I made the comment...must be due to the construction. Cap pops up and says, no it was me, they don't give us enough time to get picked up in town and get us to the airport in time. I guess he has the prerogative to do that. But, I was a bit surprised he didn't caucus with me at least to give an opportunity to object. I think that is a foul. Sad thing is I would have said sure no worries. As a soon to be Cap, I would never do anything like that without checking in with the FO. First time that's happened in 18 years. I'm I over the top???
05-18-2018, 12:13 PM
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I'm not responsible for scheduling. I am responsible for safety. My preference is to take the company scheduled pick up and then block out when I'm ready to go after doing all of the required necessities in a safe, non rushed manner. If I get the ACARs message tell them why. If I get a phone call (happened once) tell them why.
05-18-2018, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ualgrizz
Hey Guys your opinion please. Leaving LA got a note on the phone that stated our report time the following day had changed by 15 minutes. Moved up. When in the limo I made the comment...must be due to the construction. Cap pops up and says, no it was me, they don't give us enough time to get picked up in town and get us to the airport in time. I guess he has the prerogative to do that. But, I was a bit surprised he didn't caucus with me at least to give an opportunity to object. I think that is a foul. Sad thing is I would have said sure no worries. As a soon to be Cap, I would never do anything like that without checking in with the FO. First time that's happened in 18 years. I'm I over the top???
05-18-2018, 01:06 PM
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Just DH’d on a flight out of LA. CA got on the PA for welcome and said they were late from the hotel because their town car pickup in Redondo was late and there was traffic on Sepulveda. Thought that was an odd way to start, but whatever.
I’d expect a courtesy call from the CA if they were thinking of changing pick up (or had) instead of relying upon spurious messaging from skeds
I’d expect a courtesy call from the CA if they were thinking of changing pick up (or had) instead of relying upon spurious messaging from skeds
05-18-2018, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by PowderFinger
I'm not responsible for scheduling. I am responsible for safety. My preference is to take the company schedjuled pick up and then block out when I'm ready to go after doing all of the required necessities in a safe, non rushed manner. If I get the ACARs message tell them why. If I get a phone call (happened once) tell them why.
- pairings schedulers learn by negative feedback when flight blocks out late. no reports, IOR, suggestion box inputs do anything. Only if a flight is late do they care and only then is the problem looked into and fixed
- FAR 117. So when has the FDP started? Does it get adjusted? Who does it? When you’re deep into an FDP and they ask you to extend do you have an accurate CCO? you’ve also shortened the rest period with similar possible problems
- contractual implications
And for all of the above the FO may have different restrictions, circumstances, requirements than the CA. IOW, just leave it alone. And it the FO can also say no thanks I’ll be there at the scheduled time via taxi.
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05-18-2018, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by dmeg13021
Just DH’d on a flight out of LA. CA got on the PA for welcome and said they were late from the hotel because their town car pickup in Redondo was late and there was traffic on Sepulveda. Thought that was an odd way to start, but whatever.
I’d expect a courtesy call from the CA if they were thinking of changing pick up (or had) instead of relying upon spurious messaging from skeds
I’d expect a courtesy call from the CA if they were thinking of changing pick up (or had) instead of relying upon spurious messaging from skeds
05-18-2018, 06:30 PM
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Union just put out something about NOT changing times, flight planning on the ride to the airport, etc.
If there's not enough time (in your opinion) PDR it.
I like when captains ask me on the ride to the airport, did you look at the flight plan, you OK with the fuel, etc...
Me: I haven't looked yet. I'm not on "duty"...
If there's not enough time (in your opinion) PDR it.
I like when captains ask me on the ride to the airport, did you look at the flight plan, you OK with the fuel, etc...
Me: I haven't looked yet. I'm not on "duty"...
05-19-2018, 05:41 AM
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I'd be in favor of 60-minute show times, instead of the current 45, but I wouldn't support crews routinely changing their pickup times and certainly not without discussing it first. I like to have the extra minutes to handle any issues that come up and have time for a cup of coffee when everything runs smoothly.
Does it? FDP starts at show-time as long as the transportation to the airport is local in nature. If you just change the pickup time, and not the show time, I don't think that the FDP or rest period is changed.
Originally Posted by APC225
- FAR 117. So when has the FDP started? Does it get adjusted? Who does it? When you’re deep into an FDP and they ask you to extend do you have an accurate CCO? you’ve also shortened the rest period with similar possible problems
05-19-2018, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Larry in TN
Does it? FDP starts at show-time as long as the transportation to the airport is local in nature. If you just change the pickup time, and not the show time, I don't think that the FDP or rest period is changed.
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