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05-20-2018 | 08:04 AM
#21
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I always download the flight plan and release well ahead of time so I’m not rushed later, I usually check the WSI and load my Jeep’s at hotel also, I don’t give a rip if the FO does it early or not. I just figure we want to get paid like professionals, maybe we should put in some effort and act like it. My job is to do everything in my power to get the aircraft off Safe Comfortable and On Time. The I’m not gonna do sh$t for this place attitude is pretty immature and unprofessional IMHO. It’s a pretty great job, and pressing 3 buttons on y our IPad a little early isn’t that great a sacrifice. Love seeing the attitudes of the new guys coming in who really want to make this place great.
Plus one.
05-20-2018 | 10:46 AM
#22
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From: Tom’s Whipping boy.
I always download the flight plan and release well ahead of time so I’m not rushed later, I usually check the WSI and load my Jeep’s at hotel also, I don’t give a rip if the FO does it early or not. I just figure we want to get paid like professionals, maybe we should put in some effort and act like it. My job is to do everything in my power to get the aircraft off Safe Comfortable and On Time. The I’m not gonna do sh$t for this place attitude is pretty immature and unprofessional IMHO. It’s a pretty great job, and pressing 3 buttons on your IPad a little early isn’t that great a sacrifice. Love seeing the attitudes of the new guys coming in who really want to make this place great.
I haven't flown with anyone who doesn't look at it ahead of time, on the long layovers.
There are some macho keyboard commandos here who like to beat their chest. I suspect reality differs.
Especially for FO's who we have overloaded since the merger, and the union seems to be silent on that , as well as the unreasonable 45 minute show..... There's no money in it I guess.
As for the OP who claims to soon be a captain.... it sounds like his captain made an attempt to contact him, and made a decision he felt best for safety and timeliness. If the OP got his feelings hurt and didn't try to talk it out with his captain later, but came on a public forum for support..... he doesn't understand leadership and is going to have a hard time when he get's to be the arsehole in the left seat.
05-20-2018 | 11:01 AM
#23
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Unless I want to go get food or coffee and the lines are long I never feel rushed with the 45 min show. When already at the airport I usually review the paperwork about 45-60 minuets prior to push while enjoying a cup of coffee, show up at the plane 30 prior to push, preflight, load the box, and still be ready to push 10-15 early. I don’t rush, but I dont waste time either. Also, as a f/o I don’t have to brief the flight attendants so that cuts down on my time requirements. Downloading the paperwork, review, preflight, load the box, and push is easily done within 30 minutes without rushing unless you’re new to the plane. If other guys want to start the process earlier and that is what works for them, I say stick with what you find works best for you.
05-20-2018 | 11:02 AM
#24
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From: 767/757 CA
^^^^plus two
I haven't flown with anyone who doesn't look at it ahead of time, on the long layovers.
There are some macho keyboard commandos here who like to beat their chest. I suspect reality differs.
Especially for FO's who we have overloaded since the merger, and the union seems to be silent on that , as well as the unreasonable 45 minute show..... There's no money in it I guess.
As for the OP who claims to soon be a captain.... it sounds like his captain made an attempt to contact him, and made a decision he felt best for safety and timeliness. If the OP got his feelings hurt and didn't try to talk it out with his captain later, but came on a public forum for support..... he doesn't understand leadership and is going to have a hard time when he get's to be the arsehole in the left seat.
I haven't flown with anyone who doesn't look at it ahead of time, on the long layovers.
There are some macho keyboard commandos here who like to beat their chest. I suspect reality differs.
Especially for FO's who we have overloaded since the merger, and the union seems to be silent on that , as well as the unreasonable 45 minute show..... There's no money in it I guess.
As for the OP who claims to soon be a captain.... it sounds like his captain made an attempt to contact him, and made a decision he felt best for safety and timeliness. If the OP got his feelings hurt and didn't try to talk it out with his captain later, but came on a public forum for support..... he doesn't understand leadership and is going to have a hard time when he get's to be the arsehole in the left seat.
05-20-2018 | 01:04 PM
#25
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This is the real issue.
If the pickup time doesn’t work then file a PDR and let the union know. If it impacts safety also file a FSAP.
As far as the company is concerned it’s not a problem if the flight departs on time—-even if its internal processes are deficient and the employees are “making it work.”
05-20-2018 | 01:33 PM
#26
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From: Head pillow fluffer, Assistant bed maker
I don’t have an issue with downloading the stuff at the hotel and taking a look at it. Sometimes if there is a late flt or a flow time it can save going to the airport and sitting for hours. As long as the company does not mandate it I will do what is comfortable for me. I do have an issue with changing pickup times with no input. As was said, get the union in on it to fix systemwide if indeed it is a safety issue.
05-21-2018 | 08:23 PM
#27
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From: 777
I always download the flight plan and release well ahead of time so I’m not rushed later, I usually check the WSI and load my Jeep’s at hotel also, I don’t give a rip if the FO does it early or not. I just figure we want to get paid like professionals, maybe we should put in some effort and act like it. My job is to do everything in my power to get the aircraft off Safe Comfortable and On Time. The I’m not gonna do sh$t for this place attitude is pretty immature and unprofessional IMHO. It’s a pretty great job, and pressing 3 buttons on your IPad a little early isn’t that great a sacrifice. Love seeing the attitudes of the new guys coming in who really want to make this place great.
I do not flight plan until I'm paid. I do not look at the flight plan in the van. The company is counting on us working on our own time so they can have a longer duty day without paying for it. If we leave late because of it, when enough reports come in about inadequate report times, then it will change back to what it was.
I am not on duty in the van, I am not being paid, FAR 117 has not started, I should not be doing duty not on the clock.
Sorry, but that is the way I am. We will also flight plan together, when we report for duty. Not go to the plane and skip flight planning. Yes, the company is skating on this, intentionally--and they know it.
05-21-2018 | 10:34 PM
#28
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From: Head pillow fluffer, Assistant bed maker
Dave, I believe you are on the mighty 777, would you feel differently if on sweet Fifi going from msn to ord instead of hkg Sfo? I totally see the need to sit down and really go over things for a 12 hour flight, but on a short flight things can be done faster and not miss anything. Just a thought. When I flew intl we had a 2.5 hour show. Too much imho, we were usually done after 30-45 minutes so we sat around the rest of time and spread rumors or dove into the catering.
05-22-2018 | 05:16 AM
#29
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From: A320 Captain
Back to the Original Question
Hey Guys your opinion please. Leaving LA got a note on the phone that stated our report time the following day had changed by 15 minutes. Moved up. When in the limo I made the comment...must be due to the construction. Cap pops up and says, no it was me, they don't give us enough time to get picked up in town and get us to the airport in time. I guess he has the prerogative to do that. But, I was a bit surprised he didn't caucus with me at least to give an opportunity to object. I think that is a foul. Sad thing is I would have said sure no worries. As a soon to be Cap, I would never do anything like that without checking in with the FO. First time that's happened in 18 years. I'm I over the top???
Big Foul. More importantly, an unacceptable breach of CRM, capt's authority and any sort of basic professional courtesy. Period, end of discussion. We do not have any sort of sufficient (read safe) visibility into the entire operation to make unilateral decisions like this for all the reasons mentioned. I'm not advocating passivity, just awareness. The 45 minute report will never change if this continues.
The ideas about when and how flight planning is done is an excellent discussion which, in my opinion, is not relevant here.
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