Report time changes
05-19-2018 | 10:56 AM
#11
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Just DH’d on a flight out of LA. CA got on the PA for welcome and said they were late from the hotel because their town car pickup in Redondo was late and there was traffic on Sepulveda. Thought that was an odd way to start, but whatever.
I’d expect a courtesy call from the CA if they were thinking of changing pick up (or had) instead of relying upon spurious messaging from skeds
I’d expect a courtesy call from the CA if they were thinking of changing pick up (or had) instead of relying upon spurious messaging from skeds
On 1st item, it’s my opinion the passengers probably do not need an explanation about why we were late. What they need is prepared pilots. Now if the delay is due to maintenance or something safety related then maybe an explanation will help and even be required. The traffic, crying children, fights with significant other probably should be left out.
On 2nd item, I would not nor have ever unilaterally changed the pickup time without crew agreement (of course then it would not be unilateral). Additionally I have never mandated a change in the traditional rest breaks either. That captain thought he or she was being in command and in reality it’s something else.
05-19-2018 | 04:49 PM
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From: Tom’s Whipping boy.
Hey Guys your opinion please. Leaving LA got a note on the phone that stated our report time the following day had changed by 15 minutes. Moved up. When in the limo I made the comment...must be due to the construction. Cap pops up and says, no it was me, they don't give us enough time to get picked up in town and get us to the airport in time. I guess he has the prerogative to do that. But, I was a bit surprised he didn't caucus with me at least to give an opportunity to object. I think that is a foul. Sad thing is I would have said sure no worries. As a soon to be Cap, I would never do anything like that without checking in with the FO. First time that's happened in 18 years. I'm I over the top???
Over the top? Maybe... What did he say when you discussed your feelings with him?
Edit; hold on. You said "report time".. Did you mean report time or limo pick up time?
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05-19-2018 | 08:33 PM
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Love it, not interested Capt., maybe when we get to the plane, just need a few more minutes on my FB.
05-20-2018 | 05:14 AM
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I would leave the show/report times alone as well as the limo pick up times unless both crew members decide jointly without anyone pressuring the other crew member. If the CA wants to get to the airport earlier than he/she needs to do that for himself and do not presume it's OK with your FO. CRM and common courtesy are just as important as respecting the association's guidance on show/report times.
I do think the 45 minutes is a bit compressed, but as a technique I do check the fuel the release on the van ride because it helps take the pressure off of me. The van ride is usually quiet and as long as I have a decent connection I try and get my info squared away. I get it, we're not on duty on the van ride, but it's a way to get ahead of the game and help your other crewmember with the decision-making so that you can absorb traffic delays and crowds at the airport so that you won't feel rushed. As a bonus, if I get the release squared away early, now I got time to grab a coffee, etc and get to the gate in a leisurely pace.
I do think the company likes the 45 minute shows because it means they get to use you for another 15 minutes on the back side......
I do think the 45 minutes is a bit compressed, but as a technique I do check the fuel the release on the van ride because it helps take the pressure off of me. The van ride is usually quiet and as long as I have a decent connection I try and get my info squared away. I get it, we're not on duty on the van ride, but it's a way to get ahead of the game and help your other crewmember with the decision-making so that you can absorb traffic delays and crowds at the airport so that you won't feel rushed. As a bonus, if I get the release squared away early, now I got time to grab a coffee, etc and get to the gate in a leisurely pace.
I do think the company likes the 45 minute shows because it means they get to use you for another 15 minutes on the back side......
05-20-2018 | 06:10 AM
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From: Boeing voice activated systems and ACARS commander
I would leave the show/report times alone as well as the limo pick up times unless both crew members decide jointly without anyone pressuring the other crew member. If the CA wants to get to the airport earlier than he/she needs to do that for himself and do not presume it's OK with your FO. CRM and common courtesy are just as important as respecting the association's guidance on show/report times.
I do think the 45 minutes is a bit compressed, but as a technique I do check the fuel the release on the van ride because it helps take the pressure off of me. The van ride is usually quiet and as long as I have a decent connection I try and get my info squared away. I get it, we're not on duty on the van ride, but it's a way to get ahead of the game and help your other crewmember with the decision-making so that you can absorb traffic delays and crowds at the airport so that you won't feel rushed. As a bonus, if I get the release squared away early, now I got time to grab a coffee, etc and get to the gate in a leisurely pace.
I do think the company likes the 45 minute shows because it means they get to use you for another 15 minutes on the back side......
I do think the 45 minutes is a bit compressed, but as a technique I do check the fuel the release on the van ride because it helps take the pressure off of me. The van ride is usually quiet and as long as I have a decent connection I try and get my info squared away. I get it, we're not on duty on the van ride, but it's a way to get ahead of the game and help your other crewmember with the decision-making so that you can absorb traffic delays and crowds at the airport so that you won't feel rushed. As a bonus, if I get the release squared away early, now I got time to grab a coffee, etc and get to the gate in a leisurely pace.
I do think the company likes the 45 minute shows because it means they get to use you for another 15 minutes on the back side......
I go to 'work' when I get to 'work' not before.
I do my preflight in a safe workman like fashion without rushing.
If we go on time that's great. If we are late, we are late.
If I get a phone call I just ask them what they would like for me to leave out.
If they ever suggest that I start at the hotel or on the van ride I will submit an fsap.
05-20-2018 | 06:38 AM
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I always download the flight plan and release well ahead of time so I’m not rushed later, I usually check the WSI and load my Jeep’s at hotel also, I don’t give a rip if the FO does it early or not. I just figure we want to get paid like professionals, maybe we should put in some effort and act like it. My job is to do everything in my power to get the aircraft off Safe Comfortable and On Time. The I’m not gonna do sh$t for this place attitude is pretty immature and unprofessional IMHO. It’s a pretty great job, and pressing 3 buttons on your IPad a little early isn’t that great a sacrifice. Love seeing the attitudes of the new guys coming in who really want to make this place great.
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