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John Carr 05-31-2018 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by webecheck (Post 2606388)
Nah man, you got it all wrong. Do you think Kirby is going to throw his hands in the air and say United can’t compete since the pilots won’t budge on scope? He’ll immediately be replaced by someone who thinks they can....and then we’ll end up with a 100 seater to upgauge and/or open more markets like delta did.

Besides, I’m happy with my QoL and my contract. Scope is a non issue imo because they don’t have enough ammo to use on pay rates to convince me, or anyone I’ve talked to, that it’s worth it. To think the entire UAL increased profitability gameplan rests on us giving scope relief means our current mgmt won’t be in place for long.

Well thanks for that Captain Obvious :rolleyes:

It’s amazing how satire with even a touch of reality can go over people’s heads....


Wall Street won’t accept that excuse. Sometimes they are aligned with our interests.
YMMMV, but Wall St. rarely, IF EVER has labor’s interest at heart.

Doesn’t matter if you’re in a bankruptcy environment or the most lucrative in the history of airlines.

webecheck 05-31-2018 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by John Carr (Post 2606391)
Well thanks for that Captain Obvious :rolleyes:

It’s amazing how satire with even a touch of reality can go over people’s heads....



YMMMV, but Wall St. rarely, IF EVER has labor’s interest at heart.

Doesn’t matter if you’re in a bankruptcy environment or the most lucrative in the history of airlines.


I’ve read enough of your posts, I think you firmly believe what you wrote about scope, but you can backpedal saying “touch of reality”, which I guess makes my point, and then call me names if that helps feel like you aren’t being attacked by my post.

In this case, WS is aligned with the pilot group. Perhaps they’d like more RJ flying since it could be cheaper, but they won’t accept a business plan dependent on getting something our competitors aren’t.

John Carr 05-31-2018 04:43 PM


Originally Posted by webecheck (Post 2606395)
I’ve read enough of your posts, I think you firmly believe what you wrote about scope, but you can backpedal saying “touch of reality”, which I guess makes my point, and then call me names if that helps feel like you aren’t being attacked by my post.

Really? I called you names?

You read way, WAY too much into it to create your own reality. Triggered much?


In this case, WS is aligned with the pilot group. Perhaps they’d like more RJ flying since it could be cheaper, but they won’t accept a business plan dependent on getting something our competitors aren’t.
PURE COINCIDENCE.

And simply more because of the economic environment than labor’s best interest.

Enjoy the rest of your evening.

seekingblue 05-31-2018 06:43 PM

From your friendly Jetblue pilot....



I hope y’all buy us.

That is all.

Dave Fitzgerald 05-31-2018 11:17 PM


Originally Posted by seekingblue (Post 2606457)
From your friendly Jetblue pilot....



I hope y’all buy us.

That is all.

A great wish but, alas, pie in the sky. Too much overlap. DOT will never allow it to happen.

IDIOTPILOT 06-01-2018 02:31 AM


Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald (Post 2606514)
A great wish but, alas, pie in the sky. Too much overlap. DOT will never allow it to happen.

https://247wallst.com/transportation...acquired-next/

https://www.barrons.com/articles/air...lue-1525356236

Airline M&A: A Bidding War for Alaska, JetBlue?

seekingblue 06-01-2018 05:47 AM


Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald (Post 2606514)
A great wish but, alas, pie in the sky. Too much overlap. DOT will never allow it to happen.

Agree there is too much overlap in NYC/EWR. Other than that, our route structures are fairly complimentary.

If this were to be seriously considered, there would need to be several divestures; most notably EWR. SFO is actually a fairly big destination for us now, so that may require a divestiture as well.

Floyd 06-01-2018 06:21 AM


Originally Posted by seekingblue (Post 2606593)
Agree there is too much overlap in NYC/EWR. Other than that, our route structures are fairly complimentary.

If this were to be seriously considered, there would need to be several divestures; most notably EWR. SFO is actually a fairly big destination for us now, so that may require a divestiture as well.

How quaint it is for the JBLU pilot informing us what would be divested. You know about as much as we do. Which is zilch. Now where's that nb/snb order for organic growth?

JoePatroni 06-01-2018 06:24 AM


Originally Posted by seekingblue (Post 2606593)
Agree there is too much overlap in NYC/EWR. Other than that, our route structures are fairly complimentary.

If this were to be seriously considered, there would need to be several divestures; most notably EWR. SFO is actually a fairly big destination for us now, so that may require a divestiture as well.

You actually believe they would divest EWR? That’s laughable.

Dave Fitzgerald 06-01-2018 07:44 AM


Originally Posted by JoePatroni (Post 2606628)
You actually believe they would divest EWR? That’s laughable.

More likely a slot sale in JFK, and gate sale. Even though JFK has more runways, and isn't affected nearly as much by a drop of rain. It's all speculation anyway. The Jet Blue guys might have a shinier crystal ball than we do, so maybe they do have better info.

Not really pertinent, it isn't going to happen anyway.


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