https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/united-seeks-return-to-new-york-jfk-449086/

 

Kirscar did say that pulling out of there was one of the stupidest things the previous regime did. Hope they pull it off.

 

United gets jetblue
Delta gets Alaska
Spirit gets frontier





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A good example of spinning nothing into something. The headline makes it sound like we are actively ‘seeking’ to get back into JFK, but Kirby directly says we don’t have a “feasible organic solution” for doing so. Of course, then the article implies that we might be trying to get in via an “inorganic” acquisition.

I actually think the JFK pullout might have been ultimately a good thing (aside from the initial buffoonery of essentially trading our slots away for nothing). Yeah, perhaps we gave up on a lot of premium customers, but the CO did say at the time we’d lost money on the route for years. There was an awful lot of competition there on JFK - LAX/SFO premium transcons with JB/DAL/AA. Not much competition on them though for us out of EWR, and there are plenty of well-off NJ residents who don’t want to go to all the way JFK even if it means paying a higher fare.

 

Don't forget, he was also patting himself on the back at what a good job he did of running UCH OUT of JFK when he was at AAG.

 

This. Losing money isn’t the same as a money losing route.

Smisek seemed to make a habit out of pulling out of any market there was competition on (shrinking to profitability).

 

We lost an exclusive and lucrative corporate contract that we now share with AA. Smisek and his management team knew the cost of everything and the value of nothing. They were considering dehubbing IAD, LAX and DEN, our most profitable hub. Complete morons.

 

As he should. Smart business strategist. At least now we have people willing to compete.

 

Fixed it for you.

 

Nah man, you got it all wrong. Do you think Kirby is going to throw his hands in the air and say United can’t compete since the pilots won’t budge on scope? He’ll immediately be replaced by someone who thinks they can....and then we’ll end up with a 100 seater to upgauge and/or open more markets like delta did.

Besides, I’m happy with my QoL and my contract. Scope is a non issue imo because they don’t have enough ammo to use on pay rates to convince me, or anyone I’ve talked to, that it’s worth it. To think the entire UAL increased profitability gameplan rests on us giving scope relief means our current mgmt won’t be in place for long. Wall Street won’t accept that excuse. Sometimes they are aligned with our interests.