So what's the answer as you know it?

A pre-merger, CAL problem that we won’t be wasting any Union manpower on.

Really quite shameful as they guys and gals should be made whole.

LCAL had a myriad of arbitrary deals for different employees and employee groups that literally changed from week to week and the record keeping and the IT infrastructure was incapable of keeping track of it all. This combined with flowing up and down at Expressjet caused the two pilot groups to declare and accept the employee deals each brought to the merger. The company simply has zero interest in trying to unscramble this egg.

What is shameful is people like you who know all this trying to mischaracterize it to divide the pilot group.

Good luck trying to define that "small subset" and it is not just pilots.

I think that's an important point. We're talking about their travel date, or "boarding date." Really no good reason to keep punishing these people. I don't even know what the CAL policy was or what it stated that resulted in their travel date being negatively affected.

I do recall several local council meetings whereby members in good standing were advocating for this and the union simply ignored them. No reasons, or rationale was ever given as to why ALPA (CAL MEC) would not simply try and do something positive for these folks who were so negatively affected.

Remember, the Furlough of the 147 pilots at CAL was done soley to rub the unions nose in it for saying NO to the abrogation of the scope clause. We had record junior-manning. We actually needed to hire pilots, and not furlough them. The company offered a No-Furlough clause if we had adopted a 2 percent pay raise in exchange for enhanced RJ flying and unlimited Joint Venture Flying.

These pilots were pawns, put in the middle of the CAL MEC and Larry Kellner's expansion of the network - without organically growing the airline plan. Combine that with the implementation of PBS, which resulted in the pseudo-layoff of over 400 pilots (pilots not replaced upon retirement due to PBS efficiencies), and the result is simply the name "continental airlines."

Boarding dates should be restored. The union should see the logic in this and insist upon a sense of fair-play. Equitable rules for things like this are just commonsense.

When you get recalled you come back ...CAL recalls of course
That was at 2010
If you want to hang out because you are an EK captain and trying to scam a 10 year recall rights no sir and that’s what your friend did and you know who I am talking about

Plain and simple he did not come back, basically resigned and blames alpa at 2018?
No

You should have simply stuck with, "I don't know" because that is obvious. The union expended a lot of time and effort. It is just that you simply are unaware of it. Call your reps if you actually want to understand.


How about simply making pass travel based on mainline hire date? Is that equitable?

Have any invites gone out for this class yet? Just curious what interview/COJ dates are getting this class


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Probably end of next week for this additional class to get invites. New Hires are not awarded class dates until 30 days out due to furlough options.

No clue as to what you’re referring to.

Fill in the blanks please.

What’s really shameful is our Union only focusing on former L-UAL injustices while items like these go unaddressed. CAL LTD anyone?