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Originally Posted by Zenofzin
(Post 2648105)
I flew with a guy last month that wouldn’t extend by 5 minutes because he was ****ed that UAL parked its 737 10 plus years ago, he’d rather f@#k over the 150 people in back who pay his check every month.
If UAL doesn't have staffing to cover extended duty periods, which are already plenty long, it sounds like a UA management problem and not a pilot problem. 117 is no longer a brand new reg. Extensions are supposed to be the exception and NOT the norm which they have become. Otherwise we could just start with 16 hour days on the narrowbody for every duty period and call it good. In fact, I'd be more concerned about a fatigued pilot going the extra mile rationalizing they are "helping." The data indicates that a disproportionate number of FSAPs, incidents, and accidents occur at the far end of the duty day, no? But back to that pilot in question, it seems like he has a pretty crystal clear understanding of his relationship with UA.
Originally Posted by Zenofzin
(Post 2648186)
Our union has more leverage when we are productive, safe and profitable.
That said, I'm pretty sure that leverage doesn't increase when pilots waive the contract. |
Originally Posted by cadetdrivr
(Post 2648206)
I don't blame him and, no, he didn't f@#k anybody by simply following the FARs.
If UAL doesn't have staffing to cover extended duty periods, which are already plenty long, it sounds like a UA management problem and not a pilot problem. 117 is no longer a brand new reg. Extensions are supposed to be the exception and NOT the norm which they have become. Otherwise we could just start with 16 hour days on the narrowbody for every duty period and call it good. In fact, I'd be more concerned about a fatigued pilot going the extra mile rationalizing they are "helping." The data indicates that a disproportionate number of FSAPs, incidents, and accidents occur at the far end of the duty day, no? But back to that pilot in question, it seems like he has a pretty crystal clear understanding of his relationship with UA. +1 That said, I'm pretty sure that leverage doesn't increase when pilots waive the contract. |
Originally Posted by Zenofzin
(Post 2648252)
His stance was he would not extend by even a minute, not due to fatigue or safety, but to get back at the company, to get a free hotel, and extra pay for the next day, to his chagrin we took off two minutes before our cco time and he sat like a little b#$tch the whole way back to EWR. I’m not one who goes to 16 hrs in a blizzard to get a flight in, but if your #1 holding short and your CCO time is in one minute, going back to the gate to get vengeance on your furlough a decade ago is pretty lame. Glad the bulk of guys I fly with don’t have his attitude, I’ve worked at places like that, not fun. He was ****ed that I chipped in and helped make it work, legally within the contract I might add.....
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Maybe if the company paid us to extend like they did in the past, this wouldn’t be an issue?
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Originally Posted by Zenofzin
(Post 2648252)
His stance was he would not extend by even a minute, not due to fatigue or safety, but to get back at the company, to get a free hotel, and extra pay for the next day, to his chagrin we took off two minutes before our cco time and he sat like a little b#$tch the whole way back to EWR. I’m not one who goes to 16 hrs in a blizzard to get a flight in, but if your #1 holding short and your CCO time is in one minute, going back to the gate to get vengeance on your furlough a decade ago is pretty lame. Glad the bulk of guys I fly with don’t have his attitude, I’ve worked at places like that, not fun. He was ****ed that I chipped in and helped make it work, legally within the contract I might add.....
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Originally Posted by Grumble
(Post 2648344)
In the normal operations of the day though you owe it to the people paying your check to do what you can, and I’m in the no extension category too under most circumstances. However I’ll bust my ass up to that point to make it happen.
Yup, this is the way to do things right. Once the clock clicks over however, no explanations or apologies are required to justify flying the contract or FARs. |
Originally Posted by cadetdrivr
(Post 2648206)
I don't blame him and, no, he didn't f@#k anybody by simply following the FARs.
. The ones getting f@#ke are those poor slobs in the back that pay our wages and do loose sleep,when we cancel. Ya know the ones trying to get to grannies funeral , or daughters wedding, or your fellow pilots deadheading home, etc..... Btw, just so you know, we can't extend FAR limits. |
Originally Posted by Zenofzin
(Post 2648105)
We all went through a rough patch in our careers, but sorry doesn’t justify Mako bagging on a guy who helps the company, makes himself some money and does it all within the contract....
Would you like to show me where I did this? Because I went back and read all of my posts on this thread and came up bupkis. Nice rants though. |
Originally Posted by Grumble
(Post 2648344)
In the normal operations of the day though you owe it to the people paying your check to do what you can, and I’m in the no extension category too under most circumstances. However I’ll bust my ass up to that point to make it happen.
In addition to operating under our personal and professional code of ethics, I’m on board with SCOE or core4 or whatever it’s latest incarnation is, but as Bruce Banner said, “You wouldn’t like me when I’m angry.” https://imgix.bustle.com/uploads/ima...mat&q=70&dpr=2 |
Originally Posted by cadetdrivr
(Post 2648206)
I don't blame him and, no, he didn't f@#k anybody by simply following the FARs.
If UAL doesn't have staffing to cover extended duty periods, which are already plenty long, it sounds like a UA management problem and not a pilot problem. 117 is no longer a brand new reg. Extensions are supposed to be the exception and NOT the norm which they have become. Otherwise we could just start with 16 hour days on the narrowbody for every duty period and call it good. In fact, I'd be more concerned about a fatigued pilot going the extra mile rationalizing they are "helping." The data indicates that a disproportionate number of FSAPs, incidents, and accidents occur at the far end of the duty day, no? But back to that pilot in question, it seems like he has a pretty crystal clear understanding of his relationship with UA. +1 That said, I'm pretty sure that leverage doesn't increase when pilots waive the contract. |
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