rightside02

I agree it’s a win howver , if there is no coverage what’s the point ? I tried to drop ALL my trips for next month knowing that most likely not all would actually go away . I figured maybe 2 . Nope , nothing dropped .

And they are mostly week day trips

Floyd

Hey now! A blow to the family jewels don't you think?

Tubs14

I'm not sure what fleet you're on, but here's a perspective from a narrow body guy. The ability to drop below 50hrs is a great QOL Improvement for the entire pilot group. With that being said, now that we can see the pool display the company has put the numbers at 0 basically everyday so straight drops are impossible. Before, when we couldn't see the pool, straight drops worked a majority of the time during non-peak flying season.

The situation you refer to, being able to pick up another pilots trip that drops them below 50 is great when it works for the both of you. It's net 0 for the company and both of you are happy. The problem I see, in which you refer to it being a "HUGE" win for the majority of the pilot group, is the fact you already have to have the days off to pick up another pilots trip. Maybe it's just in ORD, but most of our lines are built to 13-14 days off and 80-85 hours. So what happens is nothing can be dropped due to coverage and none of your trips will be picked up because no one has the time off to do it.

I would argue that the "majority" of the pilot group would like to do straight drops and the "minority" are the ones picking up other people's trips.

BoJet

Don’t wanna fly 50 hours? Retire
It’s the contract that was voted on.
Wanna change it? Did you know we are in contract negotiations? That would be the venue for change.

GolferNJ

I agree with this. Unfortunately, we just gave up 3-days transfer days (every 18 months) and conflict bidding for this. None of which was presented for a vote! It's hard to ask for a change of the contract when the MEC is unilaterally making changes in the midst of contract negotiations.

oldmako

Some day over the long span of your career, you may have an outside event which will make you appreciate the ability to drop down to 50 hours. And best of all, you won't have to retire in order to do so. There's a lot of crap in this contract that I don't like and they were the reasons that voted no on it. Should I retire as well?

If the union can improve our contract, I'm all for it. Even if its a paragraph that I may never use.

APC225

Full-month COLAs for 19 positions in January.

okawner

Bingo. How is this allowed?


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baseball

Maybe get a do-over???

Sometimes we need to know both the devil and the details to find the devil in the details. Clearly, we didn't negotiate anything worthwhile and it appears we actually gave up something and got nothing in return. OOPS!

baseball

We could challenge the legality of this. Can't negotiate something that changes the pay and benefits in a significant manner without a pilot vote. CBL issue. We could take it to the DoL.