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01-19-2019 | 01:44 PM

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KC135

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Originally Posted by awax

At UAL you'll equal the top captain rate at Frontier in 2-3 years and have a few more points in the B fund to boot. The financial piece seems like a no brainer, but you'd know better what your situation looks like.

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Originally Posted by dmeg13021

I think financially you’d take 1 step back and 3 forward, with year 4 FO pay potentially well over your top CA pay.

Huh? F9 top captain pay is $270/hr. You can make that year 3 or 4 at UAL? I don't think he will recoup the pay cut taken unless you can get to a widebody CA seat in 10 years. Also while it's nearly impossible to predict the future, it's worth a moment to take at look at UAL's profit margin and debt on their balance sheet compared to the LCC's for long term stability. (F9 is still private unfortunately)

01-19-2019 | 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by phoenix 23684

Hello,

After many years of trying I finally received the selection email. I’m excited but now I’m trying to figure out if it’s a good move. I’m in my mid 40s and a captain at Frontier about 44% up the current seniority. Taking the emotion out of it, does it make sense for me to make the jump? Financially it does not seem that way. Culturally, right now United management treats their pilots far better than at F9. There are also wide body, international non rev perks, better contract, etc.

I have been told to stop chasing it and I could be content at F9, I also know I would be very happy at United. I’m just trying to get some thoughts from current UAL pilots.

Thanks for your feedback.

Are you for real? Seriously?

01-19-2019 | 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by KC135

You are sniping from the cheap seats on that one. This is a job and maximizing dollars in the your bank account is all that matters. United has way more international exposure and a more varied fleet. You will be more senior on a narrowbody fleet quicker at a legacy vs a LCC with only one fleet. Uniteds debt is inline with other large corporations who are paying historically low rates on that debt. We are slowly investing in new aircraft. Currently under 4 yr upgrade, potentially last 10 year's of his career as a widebody captain, better ltd, better medical, better retirement, ... The profit margin is great for companies who can cherry pick routes but there is a finite number of those routes that make sense. All those plane orders at LCC's only work if they can find a route to put it on. I doubt the business model scales until a swa or JetBlue does it better.

01-19-2019 | 02:33 PM

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01-19-2019 | 02:40 PM

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cal73

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Your young and have a great career ahead of you. Good luck with your decision. The water is great here though, if you can handle a purple tie.

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01-19-2019 | 03:05 PM

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Your young and have a great career ahead of you. Good luck with your decision.

Ditto, the retirement piece is a huge piece of the puzzle.

01-19-2019 | 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by KC135

$270/hr at F9??? Really? Maybe there's a joke in here somewhere that I missed.

01-19-2019 | 03:09 PM

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Left Spirit as a 7 year Captain. 40 years old, 2 month old baby at home.
Furloughed 6 months later. Called back 4 years later. Came back, don't regret it...

01-19-2019 | 03:14 PM

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Frontier just approved new contract...12yr Capt Pay $239 on DOS...goes up to $270 in 2023.

01-19-2019 | 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BAe3100FO

We had a F9 CA in my newhire class back in June.
Can’t answer if it’s the “right move for you”, but I too made a switch to come to UAL - AND - it’s been the best decision for me AND my family!

Let me add, if you’re a DEN dude...both the 737 and 320 dudes that wanted it from my NH class have been awarded it with this 19-05 bid. YMMV

Recently jumpseated in the FD of an United A320 and the CA was on reserve based in DEN - 22 years at United. Just sayin