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Guppydriver95 02-05-2019 06:43 AM


Originally Posted by Floyd (Post 2757211)
Me thinks you're an angry legacy pilot. Get with the program you old codger. :D

Thanks for the complement👍👍

PDRit 02-05-2019 06:48 AM


Originally Posted by Guppydriver95 (Post 2757205)
Was just thinking the same thing. Not sure how this toxic thinking has permeated our ranks, but it’s all too common. At some point, somebody has to be the first to break through the previous pay, work rules etc to lead the pack. If not, we’d never have successful pattern bargaining. It’s kinda like the ridiculous “pie is only x” and we have to decide how to divide it cuz that’s what management told us! Ummmm, nooooo. You need to EXPAND the pie👍👍👍

Out of curiosity do you do the same with your budget at home, just expand the pie?

757Driver 02-05-2019 06:49 AM


Originally Posted by PDRit (Post 2757230)
Out of curiosity do you do the same with your budget at home, just expand the pie?

Maybe you should ask management that when fuel prices spike? How on earth do they fit that change into the completely static pie?

Ridiculous and defeatist.

Floyd 02-05-2019 07:03 AM


Originally Posted by guppie (Post 2757224)
I would argue we've (ALPA) had incredibly successful pattern bargaining since the 2010 Delta contract. Expanding pay rates, trip rig, vacation, and training value. I expect that to continue.

Explain to me again how you pattern bargain thru contract extensions.

Floyd 02-05-2019 07:18 AM


Originally Posted by PDRit (Post 2757230)
Out of curiosity do you do the same with your budget at home, just expand the pie?

Absolutely! As the CEO of the Griswald Family Budgetary Pie, I can choose to shrink my slice and not buy that 30' fishing boat I've been eyeing, but rather increase the slice for my kids thru college savings or something else that directly benefits them. You see, there's the pilots slice and then there's company's pie. Oh how much fun it is when they take our generosity and throw it down on something for themselves. Hint, I'm not buying the company a Bertram.

Flytolive 02-05-2019 07:18 AM


Originally Posted by 757Driver (Post 2757227)
Amen gentlemen. We're so busy salivating over what Delta will do next while we hide in the corner so we can "me too" ourselves into the stratosphere. Guess we're just too timid or stupid to the lead the industry under our own steam.

You are amazingly adept at gross mischaracterizations. You might want to ask some of your Delta buds how its going over there. UALPA is is solidly in the lead of pattern bargaining this time around.


Originally Posted by Floyd (Post 2757240)
Explain to me again how you pattern bargain thru contract extensions.

Delta pilots vote no to TA1. Munoz tries to take a page from Delta's playbook by offering a favorable pilot contract extension with a Delta 'me too' clause. Delta pilots ratify a much better TA2 with significant pay raises that results in the same for United pilots.

Guppydriver95 02-05-2019 07:19 AM


Originally Posted by PDRit (Post 2757230)
Out of curiosity do you do the same with your budget at home, just expand the pie?

Poor analogy and clearly lacking much thought. A more accurate comparison would be to say my family budget is X. I want a car payment of no more than 400$ per month. Now, truth is, I can make 500$ work, but I want to pay as little as I can get away with. Same as management. They know full well that it’s gonna be more expensive than they initially propose, and it’s our job to ensure that they open the checkbook.

DwightSchrute 02-05-2019 07:22 AM


Originally Posted by guppie (Post 2757129)
4% raise for 2019 thanks to the extension. I'm good for a year. Let the scope choke turn em blue. :cool:

Apparently we passed blue and went straight to purple :p

Floyd 02-05-2019 07:26 AM


Originally Posted by Guppydriver95 (Post 2757254)
Poor analogy and clearly lacking much thought. A more accurate comparison would be to say my family budget is X. I want a car payment of no more than 400$ per month. Now, truth is, I can make 500$ work, but I want to pay as little as I can get away with. Same as management. They know full well that it’s gonna be more expensive than they initially propose, and it’s our job to ensure that they open the checkbook.

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Floyd 02-05-2019 07:34 AM


Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 2757253)
Delta pilots vote no to TA1. Munoz tries to take a page from Delta's playbook by offering a favorable pilot contract extension with a Delta 'me too' clause. Delta pilots ratify a much better TA2 with significant pay raises that results in the same for United pilots.

Just to make sure, we're ONLY talking pay raises and not those other mundane contractual improvements right? If that's all that matters, let's just sign another extension. We all know that 75% of the group will go straight to Sec 3 when they first open the TA.


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