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Originally Posted by 757Driver (Post 2754867)

Two years start to finish isn't that long RG and on what date did we actually start earnest negotiations between all 3 parties anyways? I'll bet it wasn't the full two years as you're alluding. We should have and could have negotiated longer but some folks wanted an agreement at any cost hence the irony of our MEC's statement.

I guess it’s all in a person’s perspective.

You must of been LCAL, because the LUAL pilots were working on a contract prior to the merger and comments from a particular eastern LCAL council were rather negative (if my memory serves me correctly).

After 4 decades of this 2 years is a pushing it to the max and far from a rush. LUAL exchange of opening letters fall 1983, strike spring of 1985.

Perception and personal need guide us all.

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Originally Posted by Ni hao (Post 2753702)

Oscar has failed in his job to deliver a new UPA!

Today marks the amendable date of the United Pilot Agreement (UPA). Despite efforts to reach a seamless agreement, critical items remain between us and a final deal. We will not be rushed into an agreement that does not meet the needs of the membership simply for the sake of expediency.

For many months, United's senior leadership has publicly expressed their desire to change our UPA Regional Jet Scope limitations. In response to this rhetoric, the United pilots have stated loud and clear we have no interest in allowing management to expand their reliance on an outdated and flawed strategy of outsourcing.

There are several easy and practical solutions that ensure robust feed to our network. These innovative concepts would redefine United Airlines and the industry in a positive, meaningful way. Until management is willing to constructively engage on these ideas which protect pilot job security, we do not anticipate a deal. As each month passes, United's fleet of 50-seaters gets closer to the end of their useful lifespan. The longer negotiations continue, the more pressure there will be on management to finalize an agreement.

Last year, we opened negotiations early and have remained focused. As a result, we are further along in the Section 6 timeline than in previous negotiations. We are encouraged by the large number of negotiated items completed in multiple sections of the UPA. This validates the confidence we have in our negotiating team and overall strategic plan. We are willing to continue on this path because securing career protections and contract improvements is more important than a rushed agreement.

The MEC stands 100% unified in achieving a contract that fully recognizes the value our pilots bring to United Airlines and we will continue fighting to deliver the contract you deserve.

We ask that you stay engaged, defend your contract, and contact us if you have any questions.

In Unity,

The United Airlines Master Executive Council

Ah,that explains why there were so many sick calls on the 1st..

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Originally Posted by Regularguy (Post 2754895)

LCAL pilots were also working on a contract prior to the merger.

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Originally Posted by 757Driver (Post 2754867)

We should have and could have negotiated longer....

Why is that?

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Originally Posted by EWRflyr (Post 2755086)

LCAL pilots were also working on a contract prior to the merger.

So it wasn't a rush after all, maybe more like 3 or 4 years, depending on when you all exchange openers.

I also believe there was a lot of talk about a possible strike, I don't remember if we actually took a vote to authorize one.

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Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 2755093)

Why is that?

Because we had leverage like we've never had, (see Smallsack wanting the deal done to look good for the shareholders), and we settled on a good many items that could have been improved vastly.

All water under the bridge but I do remember the UAL side saying the deal had to get approved quickly due to a myriad of reasons hence the irony comment.

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Originally Posted by 757Driver (Post 2755228)

Because we had leverage like we've never had, (see Smallsack wanting the deal done to look good for the shareholders)....

That is absolutely hilarious. I won't even get into all the CALALPA shenanigans, but suffices to say their mantra that repeated often was "contracts come and go, but seniority lasts forever."

You might try selling crazy elsewhere because we are full up here in APC land.

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Originally Posted by 757Driver (Post 2755228)

All water under the bridge but I do remember the UAL side saying the deal had to get approved quickly due to a myriad of reasons hence the irony comment.

No irony at all it’s as previously stated, personal perspective and desires and 2+ years is hardly a rush.

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Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 2755269)

Well I guess Reps from both sides voted no so perhaps they saw it differently.

As a PS, how'd you enjoy that full retro pay?

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Originally Posted by 757Driver (Post 2755365)

Well I guess Reps from both sides voted no so perhaps they saw it differently.

Yet another great point, not. Both MECs voted to approve the JCBA as did 2 of 3 pilots.