Originally Posted by guppie (Post 2757129)

4% raise for 2019 thanks to the extension. I'm good for a year. Let the scope choke turn em blue. :cool:

Originally Posted by Floyd (Post 2757134)

Exactly. I'm enjoying that contract extension pay raise almost as much as my 3 for 1 trip rig.

Originally Posted by Davedave (Post 2757137)

Did trip rig change when I wasn’t looking?

Originally Posted by Floyd (Post 2757134)

Exactly. I'm enjoying that contract extension pay raise almost as much as my 3 for 1 trip rig.

Originally Posted by Floyd (Post 2757193)

Thanks! According to that logic, once every contract is the same no one can improve their standing. I guess a 3:1 trip rig is just as much a pipe dream as $300/hr narrowbody captain rates because no one pays that. How bout a round of national me too clauses, turn off the negotiating lights, and call it a day.

Originally Posted by guppie (Post 2757172)

Nice sarcasm. 1 for 3 would be incredible, seeing as how nobody has it. Our current trip rig is 1 for 3.5... Just like AA, DL, AK, and JB. Page 24...

http://www.alpa.org/ual/-/media/UAL/...ison-guide.pdf

Originally Posted by Guppydriver95 (Post 2757205)

Was just thinking the same thing. Not sure how this toxic thinking has permeated our ranks, but it’s all too common. At some point, somebody has to be the first to break through the previous pay, work rules etc to lead the pack. If not, we’d never have successful pattern bargaining. It’s kinda like the ridiculous “pie is only x” and we have to decide how to divide it cuz that’s what management told us! Ummmm, nooooo. You need to EXPAND the pie👍👍👍

Originally Posted by Guppydriver95 (Post 2757205)

Was just thinking the same thing. Not sure how this toxic thinking has permeated our ranks, but it’s all too common. At some point, somebody has to be the first to break through the previous pay, work rules etc to lead the pack. If not, we’d never have successful pattern bargaining. It’s kinda like the ridiculous “pie is only x” and we have to decide how to divide it cuz that’s what management told us! Ummmm, nooooo. You need to EXPAND the pie👍👍👍

Originally Posted by Floyd (Post 2757211)

Thanks! According to that logic, once every contract is the same no one can improve their standing. I guess a 3:1 trip rig is just as much a pipe dream as $300/hr narrowbody captain rates because no one pays that. How bout a round of national me too clauses, turn off the negotiating lights, and call it a day.

Originally Posted by Guppydriver95 (Post 2757205)

Was just thinking the same thing. Not sure how this toxic thinking has permeated our ranks, but it’s all too common. At some point, somebody has to be the first to break through the previous pay, work rules etc to lead the pack. If not, we’d never have successful pattern bargaining. It’s kinda like the ridiculous “pie is only x” and we have to decide how to divide it cuz that’s what management told us! Ummmm, nooooo. You need to EXPAND the pie������