Gotcha


That's like being senior and bidding the 777. And then being senior enough to hold Narita trips. But, the company decides to withhold the senior Narita trips and "hide them." it's the same principle....Now you get forced into some stupid domestic trip instead. Then, later, company decides to let pilots have the Narita trips. Too late, you can't trip trade, your illegal for it and your commuter trips to and from are all screwed up and the hotel you use for commuting is booked up. blah blah blah.

Only way to protect seniority is to protect the integrity of the bidding process.

Company wants free sim time open and available? sure, NP. Do it after midnight and til 6 AM. problem solved.

Does the company publish a daily sim period schedule for all to see?

Does the company publish a non used sim period schedule of free or available and unused unscheduled sim time as well?

Any stats on "no shows" or sick calls for the later o-dark thirty sim periods?

This practice is also starting to affect new hires. They are asking for hotels before the sim to make sure they are rested prior to training. I don't know yet how this will play out. Stay tuned.

Joe, thanks for posting this and letting us all know.

Dave

A new hire should always have a hotel prior to the sim, right?

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G891A using Tapatalk

Depends on what training we are talking about. Initial school, yes. If he's coming back for his first PC, maybe not depending on DH flights in, and east coast vs. west coast schedules.

I think you could officially call this trying to intimidate the NH's into accepting an illegal assignment by either not knowing the contract, or not wanting to rock the boat. Either way, we are short capacity, and creative scheduling is ensuing.

Yeah I was told midnight to 04:00. But hey 03:30 is close enough. Both qualify as all night in my book. The whole point of my PDR was that after about 24:00 effective learning pretty much comes to a halt and 02:00 debriefs are a total waste of time. This is a safety issue.

I hear "debriefs are graded." Why bother briefing or debriefing? Plus, you gotta understand, Denver is located in Mountain time. We got people commuting in from training events that are left and right of Denver, in other time zones.... Surely the company knows this???

Completely agree. What I would love to see is a tightening of the language so that the 10-2 session is a rare occurrence and only assigned with pilot concurrence.

Yeah Eastern time zone folks who fly in the day of are invariably zombies for these late sims.

Safety issue, sorry no. A learning issue, most definitely. Look, when we have a wide body fleet well in excess of 100 airplanes flying around the world on the back side of the clock , not to mention a large number of narrow bodies flying coast to coast at night, it’s a little hard to defend a group from training at less than ideal times for a couple of hours. It is a safety issue out in the real world and we’ve done it for decades and managed quite well. Let’s all man up a little on this please.