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Originally Posted by Otters
(Post 2771951)
Safety issue, sorry no. A learning issue, most definitely. Look, when we have a wide body fleet well in excess of 100 airplanes flying around the world on the back side of the clock , not to mention a large number of narrow bodies flying coast to coast at night, it’s a little hard to defend a group from training at less than ideal times for a couple of hours. It is a safety issue out in the real world and we’ve done it for decades and managed quite well. Let’s all man up a little on this please.
Maybe not a safety issue, strictly speaking and in an immediate sense. However, keep showing everyone how tough you are Marvin, because the company is REALLY noticing and appreciating you. Which part of the contract will you disagree with and give back next? Nice pin. |
Originally Posted by Otters
(Post 2771951)
Safety issue, sorry no. A learning issue, most definitely. Look, when we have a wide body fleet well in excess of 100 airplanes flying around the world on the back side of the clock , not to mention a large number of narrow bodies flying coast to coast at night, it’s a little hard to defend a group from training at less than ideal times for a couple of hours. It is a safety issue out in the real world and we’ve done it for decades and managed quite well. Let’s all man up a little on this please.
As I mentioned just shut up and color boys and girls. Otters are you an ALPA training rep? And if so what council? Because we need to have a talk. |
Originally Posted by Otters
(Post 2771951)
Safety issue, sorry no. A learning issue, most definitely. Look, when we have a wide body fleet well in excess of 100 airplanes flying around the world on the back side of the clock , not to mention a large number of narrow bodies flying coast to coast at night, it’s a little hard to defend a group from training at less than ideal times for a couple of hours. It is a safety issue out in the real world and we’ve done it for decades and managed quite well. Let’s all man up a little on this please.
People buy tickets to fly a redeye, it’s the mission. I don’t have to suffer the same misery for training. |
Originally Posted by Otters
(Post 2771951)
Safety issue, sorry no. A learning issue, most definitely. Look, when we have a wide body fleet well in excess of 100 airplanes flying around the world on the back side of the clock , not to mention a large number of narrow bodies flying coast to coast at night, it’s a little hard to defend a group from training at less than ideal times for a couple of hours. It is a safety issue out in the real world and we’ve done it for decades and managed quite well. Let’s all man up a little on this please.
It's a safety issue. I'll probably trip and fall down the stairs to the sim due to fatigue. On a serious note.....That sounds like Larry Kellner. Kellner told me this prior to FAR 117 when ALPA was fighting for proper rest..... he says "hey you ever fly the 727 or DC10?" I says...."why do you ask?" He says..."because with 3 pilots you can just take turns napping." I says...Are you assuming the engineer is a pilot, and is both left seat and right seat qualified?" He had no response. It was the company's goal to get pilots to rest on the flight deck. No rest seat, no bunk needed. We've come a long way, lets up hold what we've fought for and won, and lets improve it and raise the bar for the next generation of pilots. |
Originally Posted by Otters
(Post 2771951)
Safety issue, sorry no. A learning issue, most definitely. Look, when we have a wide body fleet well in excess of 100 airplanes flying around the world on the back side of the clock , not to mention a large number of narrow bodies flying coast to coast at night, it’s a little hard to defend a group from training at less than ideal times for a couple of hours. It is a safety issue out in the real world and we’ve done it for decades and managed quite well. Let’s all man up a little on this please.
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Originally Posted by Otters
(Post 2771951)
Safety issue, sorry no. A learning issue, most definitely. Look, when we have a wide body fleet well in excess of 100 airplanes flying around the world on the back side of the clock , not to mention a large number of narrow bodies flying coast to coast at night, it’s a little hard to defend a group from training at less than ideal times for a couple of hours. It is a safety issue out in the real world and we’ve done it for decades and managed quite well. Let’s all man up a little on this please.
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