Delta Snap Up
#21
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Why aren't we going on the offensive? Insler should be on CNBC, Facebook, Twitter, etc... describing what the pilots of United have sacrificed over the years! Instead, we wait around until the next downturn, throw our hands up in the air and say "oh well, I guess we have to cave on scope"
#22
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Remember this is a negotiation. Both parties have to tentatively agree to all sections prior to the MEC deciding whether or not to send it to the Pilots for ratification. We got a 4% pay raise this last January, so we are not losing money yet. Delta did get full retro and helped to bring that term back into the lexicon for negotiations. We (including the MEC & NC) should not be in a hurry to just sign a deal!!! We want a good deal without obvious pitfalls. We could probably have a deal tomorrow if we were willing to sell our scope. I’m not willing to do that for any price!!! Section one is priceless!!!
I’m certainly not suggesting we rush to a crappy contract. No no no. What I’m suggesting is we start putting pressure on the company to give us the deal we deserve NOW.
#23
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All good points BUT why wait until 2021/22. Oscar wanted a deal done before Jan 19 guess what no deal. So what's the plan? Sing around the camp fire and hold hands? I'm pretty amazed at the weak sheep I fly with. In fact some pilots would take a pay cut it seems! Def not liking the attitude on the line.
#25
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Why aren't we going on the offensive? Insler should be on CNBC, Facebook, Twitter, etc... describing what the pilots of United have sacrificed over the years! Instead, we wait around until the next downturn, throw our hands up in the air and say "oh well, I guess we have to cave on scope"
#27
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Why aren't we going on the offensive? Insler should be on CNBC, Facebook, Twitter, etc... describing what the pilots of United have sacrificed over the years! Instead, we wait around until the next downturn, throw our hands up in the air and say "oh well, I guess we have to cave on scope"
What sacrifices would you like to tell the average customer we endured, compared to what they endured in the last decade?
Man you have no clue what actually goes on in this process. That’s understandable, but your post sounds like whining.
#29
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It’s a little early to go on the offensive being that we’re only a few months past the amendable date. I’m all for a quick negotiation resulting in a superior contract, but I don’t know how having Insler go all at this point would be received by the public. There is public respect for what we do, but when the company points out what we earn, the 5 weeks of vacation, medical benefits, 16% B fund, free travel......... it is hard for a working family to feel much sympathy. If we want to be treated and paid like white collar professionals, then we should act the part. Negotiating in public won’t accomplish that. I’d love to have a contract to read right now but I don’t. Until then I’ll enjoy a pretty good contract and time at home with my family until the negotiating committee gives me something new to read.
There are two parties that matter. The United pilots and management.
#30
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I single engine taxi every time I’m able too, our job is to operate safely and effectively, contract negotiations take time. We’ll get a contract in due time. You have to remember our union is taking a hard line on a big item that the company feels like it can profit on, it will take some time to reach a compromise and agreement until then just plug along be efficient and safe and let your paid union negotiators do there jobs.
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