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05-07-2019, 03:42 PM
#41
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Posts: 2,143
Originally Posted by Zenofzin
I single engine taxi every time I’m able too, our job is to operate safely and effectively, contract negotiations take time.
05-07-2019, 03:47 PM
#42
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Joined APC: Mar 2018
Posts: 1,358
Originally Posted by 757Driver
Really?
You wouldn't be the same toolbag who threw the female F/O off his flight for wearing one would you? In case you missed the last 30 years at CAL, we we're treated like absolute garbage and our company was finally making decent profits. Raises, work rule changes and retirement improvements were met with managements blank stares.
FUPM bracelets were the net result of all of the above and I sported one from beginning to end. Grown men and women did exist at the time and if you were former CAL, shame on you for not sporting one. If you're not, then perhaps you should be better informed before spouting off on here?
You wouldn't be the same toolbag who threw the female F/O off his flight for wearing one would you? In case you missed the last 30 years at CAL, we we're treated like absolute garbage and our company was finally making decent profits. Raises, work rule changes and retirement improvements were met with managements blank stares.
FUPM bracelets were the net result of all of the above and I sported one from beginning to end. Grown men and women did exist at the time and if you were former CAL, shame on you for not sporting one. If you're not, then perhaps you should be better informed before spouting off on here?
Last edited by Itsajob; 05-07-2019 at 04:09 PM.
05-07-2019, 07:42 PM
#43
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Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: Unbridled Enthusiasm
Posts: 2,143
Originally Posted by Itsajob
I was cal, and yes it wasn’t the best job in the world, but adults wearing F.U. bracelets was embarrassing. I told professionals outside of the airline business what people were doing and the general consensus was that we were too stupid to be pilots, much less deserve a raise. If you want to be treated like an adult/professional, then act like one.
The word clueless comes to mind.
05-07-2019, 11:01 PM
#44
Stuck Mic
Joined APC: Dec 2013
Posts: 1,059
Originally Posted by 757Driver
Isn't it safer not to? Having the F/O's head down for all that time doesn't sit well with me and don't forget, safety trumps efficiency as far as the Core 4 cornerstones go.
There are plenty of times it’s just fine to single engine taxi. If you don’t want to SE taxi so be it, but don’t belittle the guys that do it safely every single flight they can because you honestly think that tiny little bit is really affecting contract negotiations. MILLIONS or more were just blown on this new rebranding. Management really doesn’t care IMO. But having that extra fuel on tight flights IS safer.
05-07-2019, 11:07 PM
#45
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Joined APC: Aug 2013
Posts: 2,159
Originally Posted by Itsajob
I was cal, and yes it wasn’t the best job in the world, but adults wearing F.U. bracelets was embarrassing. I told professionals outside of the airline business what people were doing and the general consensus was that we were too stupid to be pilots, much less deserve a raise. If you want to be treated like an adult/professional, then act like one.
In the history of Continental Airlines it never made a penny unless they held a labor cost advantage. Translation: you'll never make the industry standard wage. This so called "best job in the world" pays you 30% less than the industry standard. Not so great if you ask me.
Also, when was the last time CAL paid a dividend on their stock with the labor cost advantage they held? Get this: It was like February 1968.
Sure, it's the best job in the world if you never wanted nothing, or didn't have any goals. Sure, it's the best job in the world watching Gordo snag 3 blondes a night, drink a scotch, and ride his Harley that the dumbass employees of CAL bought for him.
Let me be the first to offer an honest to goodness assessment on this post.
It's people like YOU that gave CAL pilots sub par and below industry standard work rules, pay and benefits in the first place.
Scabs, scab sympathizers, and management sucks ups to Fred Abbot, Fred Stankovich, Debbie McCoy, and even Gary Smallsack were the reasons CAL couldn't spell U N I O N, Friggin Ops Group...yeah those were the glory days.
Was the FUPM bracelet tacky? Your damn right it was. But, it was a symbol of UP YOURS to management and UP YOURS right back to the CAL MEC who were so scared of their shadows they couldn't move the ball. Thank GOD almighty we merged with Legacy UAL. You still wouldn't have a damn contract at CAL. We had to be saved from ourselves because of attitudes like yours.
When the company moves money from long term investments to short term investments and cries "liquidity shortfall" and tricks your union into taking concessions and freezing retirements just so the scabs and the age 60+ flight instructors who got super seniority because only the IAH certificate management office of the FAA would allow them to move back you gotta be kidding me, you gotta not only get a FUPM bracelet, but you gotta get some hats too.
Noting at all unprofessional about calling management out for flat out lying to the pilots. Now, lets talk about PBS, and Jacque Lapointe (google that dude why don't you?) He still running the cash show for crystal river capital. Guess who lost all your money on the A fund and in fuel hedging? Guess who didn't hold this bum accountable. yep, you guessed it the so-called "professional non bracelet wearing CAL pilots and milk and cookies CAL MEC.
I can't think of a time post merger when I have been so angry as I was tonight when I read your most insane and wacked out post.
I'd rather fight and lose a good fight than tuck my tail and hide from management during a contract fight. The bracelets were badges of honor. Shows management you mean business. When your union won't put their nuts on the table and fight, we gotta find people who can and will.
My prediction was absent a merger you were getting ready to see a house cleaning of the CAL MEC. The nonconfrontational mindset is exactly what Kellner wanted and needed. He didn't have the personality to withstand a roll in the mud with us. The militants were awakened, and they were getting ready to run people out of that MEC building.
05-08-2019, 03:37 AM
#46
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Joined APC: Feb 2011
Posts: 3,866
Originally Posted by Firsttimeflyer
Management really doesn’t care IMO. But having that extra fuel on tight flights IS safer.
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Last edited by APC225; 05-08-2019 at 03:49 AM.
05-08-2019, 03:40 AM
#47
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Joined APC: May 2009
Posts: 1,825
Originally Posted by baseball
If you want to be treated like a professional get paid like one.....
In the history of Continental Airlines it never made a penny unless they held a labor cost advantage. Translation: you'll never make the industry standard wage. This so called "best job in the world" pays you 30% less than the industry standard. Not so great if you ask me.
Also, when was the last time CAL paid a dividend on their stock with the labor cost advantage they held? Get this: It was like February 1968.
Sure, it's the best job in the world if you never wanted nothing, or didn't have any goals. Sure, it's the best job in the world watching Gordo snag 3 blondes a night, drink a scotch, and ride his Harley that the dumbass employees of CAL bought for him.
Let me be the first to offer an honest to goodness assessment on this post.
It's people like YOU that gave CAL pilots sub par and below industry standard work rules, pay and benefits in the first place.
Scabs, scab sympathizers, and management sucks ups to Fred Abbot, Fred Stankovich, Debbie McCoy, and even Gary Smallsack were the reasons CAL couldn't spell U N I O N, Friggin Ops Group...yeah those were the glory days.
Was the FUPM bracelet tacky? Your damn right it was. But, it was a symbol of UP YOURS to management and UP YOURS right back to the CAL MEC who were so scared of their shadows they couldn't move the ball. Thank GOD almighty we merged with Legacy UAL. You still wouldn't have a damn contract at CAL. We had to be saved from ourselves because of attitudes like yours.
When the company moves money from long term investments to short term investments and cries "liquidity shortfall" and tricks your union into taking concessions and freezing retirements just so the scabs and the age 60+ flight instructors who got super seniority because only the IAH certificate management office of the FAA would allow them to move back you gotta be kidding me, you gotta not only get a FUPM bracelet, but you gotta get some hats too.
Noting at all unprofessional about calling management out for flat out lying to the pilots. Now, lets talk about PBS, and Jacque Lapointe (google that dude why don't you?) He still running the cash show for crystal river capital. Guess who lost all your money on the A fund and in fuel hedging? Guess who didn't hold this bum accountable. yep, you guessed it the so-called "professional non bracelet wearing CAL pilots and milk and cookies CAL MEC.
I can't think of a time post merger when I have been so angry as I was tonight when I read your most insane and wacked out post.
I'd rather fight and lose a good fight than tuck my tail and hide from management during a contract fight. The bracelets were badges of honor. Shows management you mean business. When your union won't put their nuts on the table and fight, we gotta find people who can and will.
My prediction was absent a merger you were getting ready to see a house cleaning of the CAL MEC. The nonconfrontational mindset is exactly what Kellner wanted and needed. He didn't have the personality to withstand a roll in the mud with us. The militants were awakened, and they were getting ready to run people out of that MEC building.
In the history of Continental Airlines it never made a penny unless they held a labor cost advantage. Translation: you'll never make the industry standard wage. This so called "best job in the world" pays you 30% less than the industry standard. Not so great if you ask me.
Also, when was the last time CAL paid a dividend on their stock with the labor cost advantage they held? Get this: It was like February 1968.
Sure, it's the best job in the world if you never wanted nothing, or didn't have any goals. Sure, it's the best job in the world watching Gordo snag 3 blondes a night, drink a scotch, and ride his Harley that the dumbass employees of CAL bought for him.
Let me be the first to offer an honest to goodness assessment on this post.
It's people like YOU that gave CAL pilots sub par and below industry standard work rules, pay and benefits in the first place.
Scabs, scab sympathizers, and management sucks ups to Fred Abbot, Fred Stankovich, Debbie McCoy, and even Gary Smallsack were the reasons CAL couldn't spell U N I O N, Friggin Ops Group...yeah those were the glory days.
Was the FUPM bracelet tacky? Your damn right it was. But, it was a symbol of UP YOURS to management and UP YOURS right back to the CAL MEC who were so scared of their shadows they couldn't move the ball. Thank GOD almighty we merged with Legacy UAL. You still wouldn't have a damn contract at CAL. We had to be saved from ourselves because of attitudes like yours.
When the company moves money from long term investments to short term investments and cries "liquidity shortfall" and tricks your union into taking concessions and freezing retirements just so the scabs and the age 60+ flight instructors who got super seniority because only the IAH certificate management office of the FAA would allow them to move back you gotta be kidding me, you gotta not only get a FUPM bracelet, but you gotta get some hats too.
Noting at all unprofessional about calling management out for flat out lying to the pilots. Now, lets talk about PBS, and Jacque Lapointe (google that dude why don't you?) He still running the cash show for crystal river capital. Guess who lost all your money on the A fund and in fuel hedging? Guess who didn't hold this bum accountable. yep, you guessed it the so-called "professional non bracelet wearing CAL pilots and milk and cookies CAL MEC.
I can't think of a time post merger when I have been so angry as I was tonight when I read your most insane and wacked out post.
I'd rather fight and lose a good fight than tuck my tail and hide from management during a contract fight. The bracelets were badges of honor. Shows management you mean business. When your union won't put their nuts on the table and fight, we gotta find people who can and will.
My prediction was absent a merger you were getting ready to see a house cleaning of the CAL MEC. The nonconfrontational mindset is exactly what Kellner wanted and needed. He didn't have the personality to withstand a roll in the mud with us. The militants were awakened, and they were getting ready to run people out of that MEC building.
What he said. Times two.
05-08-2019, 04:10 AM
#48
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Joined APC: Mar 2018
Posts: 1,358
Originally Posted by baseball
If you want to be treated like a professional get paid like one.....
In the history of Continental Airlines it never made a penny unless they held a labor cost advantage. Translation: you'll never make the industry standard wage. This so called "best job in the world" pays you 30% less than the industry standard. Not so great if you ask me.
Also, when was the last time CAL paid a dividend on their stock with the labor cost advantage they held? Get this: It was like February 1968.
Sure, it's the best job in the world if you never wanted nothing, or didn't have any goals. Sure, it's the best job in the world watching Gordo snag 3 blondes a night, drink a scotch, and ride his Harley that the dumbass employees of CAL bought for him.
Let me be the first to offer an honest to goodness assessment on this post.
It's people like YOU that gave CAL pilots sub par and below industry standard work rules, pay and benefits in the first place.
Scabs, scab sympathizers, and management sucks ups to Fred Abbot, Fred Stankovich, Debbie McCoy, and even Gary Smallsack were the reasons CAL couldn't spell U N I O N, Friggin Ops Group...yeah those were the glory days.
Was the FUPM bracelet tacky? Your damn right it was. But, it was a symbol of UP YOURS to management and UP YOURS right back to the CAL MEC who were so scared of their shadows they couldn't move the ball. Thank GOD almighty we merged with Legacy UAL. You still wouldn't have a damn contract at CAL. We had to be saved from ourselves because of attitudes like yours.
When the company moves money from long term investments to short term investments and cries "liquidity shortfall" and tricks your union into taking concessions and freezing retirements just so the scabs and the age 60+ flight instructors who got super seniority because only the IAH certificate management office of the FAA would allow them to move back you gotta be kidding me, you gotta not only get a FUPM bracelet, but you gotta get some hats too.
Noting at all unprofessional about calling management out for flat out lying to the pilots. Now, lets talk about PBS, and Jacque Lapointe (google that dude why don't you?) He still running the cash show for crystal river capital. Guess who lost all your money on the A fund and in fuel hedging? Guess who didn't hold this bum accountable. yep, you guessed it the so-called "professional non bracelet wearing CAL pilots and milk and cookies CAL MEC.
I can't think of a time post merger when I have been so angry as I was tonight when I read your most insane and wacked out post.
I'd rather fight and lose a good fight than tuck my tail and hide from management during a contract fight. The bracelets were badges of honor. Shows management you mean business. When your union won't put their nuts on the table and fight, we gotta find people who can and will.
My prediction was absent a merger you were getting ready to see a house cleaning of the CAL MEC. The nonconfrontational mindset is exactly what Kellner wanted and needed. He didn't have the personality to withstand a roll in the mud with us. The militants were awakened, and they were getting ready to run people out of that MEC building.
In the history of Continental Airlines it never made a penny unless they held a labor cost advantage. Translation: you'll never make the industry standard wage. This so called "best job in the world" pays you 30% less than the industry standard. Not so great if you ask me.
Also, when was the last time CAL paid a dividend on their stock with the labor cost advantage they held? Get this: It was like February 1968.
Sure, it's the best job in the world if you never wanted nothing, or didn't have any goals. Sure, it's the best job in the world watching Gordo snag 3 blondes a night, drink a scotch, and ride his Harley that the dumbass employees of CAL bought for him.
Let me be the first to offer an honest to goodness assessment on this post.
It's people like YOU that gave CAL pilots sub par and below industry standard work rules, pay and benefits in the first place.
Scabs, scab sympathizers, and management sucks ups to Fred Abbot, Fred Stankovich, Debbie McCoy, and even Gary Smallsack were the reasons CAL couldn't spell U N I O N, Friggin Ops Group...yeah those were the glory days.
Was the FUPM bracelet tacky? Your damn right it was. But, it was a symbol of UP YOURS to management and UP YOURS right back to the CAL MEC who were so scared of their shadows they couldn't move the ball. Thank GOD almighty we merged with Legacy UAL. You still wouldn't have a damn contract at CAL. We had to be saved from ourselves because of attitudes like yours.
When the company moves money from long term investments to short term investments and cries "liquidity shortfall" and tricks your union into taking concessions and freezing retirements just so the scabs and the age 60+ flight instructors who got super seniority because only the IAH certificate management office of the FAA would allow them to move back you gotta be kidding me, you gotta not only get a FUPM bracelet, but you gotta get some hats too.
Noting at all unprofessional about calling management out for flat out lying to the pilots. Now, lets talk about PBS, and Jacque Lapointe (google that dude why don't you?) He still running the cash show for crystal river capital. Guess who lost all your money on the A fund and in fuel hedging? Guess who didn't hold this bum accountable. yep, you guessed it the so-called "professional non bracelet wearing CAL pilots and milk and cookies CAL MEC.
I can't think of a time post merger when I have been so angry as I was tonight when I read your most insane and wacked out post.
I'd rather fight and lose a good fight than tuck my tail and hide from management during a contract fight. The bracelets were badges of honor. Shows management you mean business. When your union won't put their nuts on the table and fight, we gotta find people who can and will.
My prediction was absent a merger you were getting ready to see a house cleaning of the CAL MEC. The nonconfrontational mindset is exactly what Kellner wanted and needed. He didn't have the personality to withstand a roll in the mud with us. The militants were awakened, and they were getting ready to run people out of that MEC building.
05-08-2019, 04:21 AM
#49
Line Holder
Joined APC: Apr 2007
Posts: 42
Originally Posted by 757Driver
Isn't it safer not to? Having the F/O's head down for all that time doesn't sit well with me and don't forget, safety trumps efficiency as far as the Core 4 cornerstones go.
05-08-2019, 06:24 AM
#50
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2009
Position: 737
Posts: 190
Originally Posted by ingleburg5
Everything is a calculated risk. . . . . Driving a car with your hands always at 10 and 2 is also the safest course of action, but I guarantee you don't drive that way all the time.
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